Stop Calling It Culture War

By: Nelson Walters

Author: Are We Ready For Jesus? (June 2015)

This last week saw two events of monumental impact. Both have likely end time ramifications.  One was the Supreme Court hearing the case of same sex marriage.  The second was the Baltimore riots and calls for a DOJ takeover of police forces nation-wide.   Both can result in persecution of Christians. We wonder why these things are happening and how we are to react.  One of the first things we should do is stop calling it culture war.

What we call something shapes the way we think about it and, in the case of war, how we fight.  The name we give something is not trivial.

Why Is This Happening?

Let’s first look at why these things are occurring.  These issues are not man-made.  Muslims, Gays and Politicians are not driving these conflicts. Scripture is plain about the source of our struggles:

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Eph. 6:12 NASB)

Most Christians are familiar with the verse, but it is amazing how few view their circumstances in light of this verse.  The problems we face are not political problems and won’t be solved politically. These problems are spiritual and they have spiritual solutions.  Viewing the problem correctly is the first step to a solution. If you know your adversary, then scripture will provide the answer on how to proceed.  Romans is a good place to start.

Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed.  The night is almost gone, and the day is near. Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts. (Rom. 13: 11-14 NASB, emphasis mine)

We need to know the time.  The Time of the End is almost here, Church, it is time to wake up.  The Lord is coming soon.  Prior to his return, the Church will endure hard times.  We are at the very beginning of the persecution.

Surprise!

Our brothers and sisters in the Middle East are dying in record numbers and we are concerned about cakes?  Where is the outcry about the martyrs?  This coming storm should not surprise us, will engulf us, and should be the focus of our efforts and prayers:

Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you; but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation. (1 Pet. 4: 12-13 NASB, emphasis mine) 

Persecution is natural for Christians.  Jesus tells us so. In western culture, Christians have seen so little persecution that we have come to believe we are immune in our insulated nations.  That is obviously no longer the case.

The Church has planned on a Pre-Tribulation Rapture to remove it prior to any hard times.  This mistaken notion that we won’t face persecution has made us weak, unprepared and ineffective.

Why Is God Permitting This?

So the question arises, why would God permit persecution if he loves us? Notice Peter tells us one reason God is permitting the persecution is for our testing.  This is incredibly important.  God could choose (and may still choose) to protect us from it, BUT he may not.  He is sovereign not us.  His will be done, not ours.  That may mean martyrdom, imprisonment, loss of job, etc.  All these things can be within his will and can be for our ultimate good.

Take a good look at the Christian Church in the USA.  Are we ready for a rapture?  Not at all.  We need to be refined by fire until we are pure gold. Notice Peter says to rejoice over trials. Faith means trusting God’s nature even when circumstances are falling apart all around us.  God causes all things to work together for good; even persecution.  Becoming refined gold is a great good.

What Should We Do?

The first step is to stop calling this a culture war.  Culture wars are fought with culture (politically).  If you fight a spiritual war with politics, you lose.  That is why Christians are so frustrated and why we appear to be losing.  This is not a culture war. It is a spiritual war.  We have been using the wrong weapons.

Second, we need to stop expecting the world to go back to the 1990s.  We need to stop expecting that everything will be “fine” again.  We need to “know the time.” We are hurtling toward the 70th Week of Daniel, and we need to act like we are.  Dr. James Dobson recently made a statement that we are witnessing the end of western civilization.  Yes, we are.  It is a sign of the time we are in.  We are headed to a brief time of Antichrist civilization.  Then we will enter the glorious Jesus civilization where he reigns as king.  This is our blessed hope.  The good ol’ USA is not our blessed hope.  Let’s not act like it is.  Let’s not look back like Lot’s wife. Let’s look ahead to our blessed hope.

Fighting a Spiritual War

If we’re going to fight a “spiritual” war, we need to be dressed for it. Let’s return to Romans 13,.  First in the passage quoted above, notice Paul says to put on heavenly armor.  (Eph. 6:13-18) Paul then spells out specifics, no drunkenness, no sexual immorality, no strife.  As a Church we need to get our spiritual act together.  In my post ARE WE LIVING IN THE DAYS OF LOT?, I discussed how the Church’s divorce rates and viewing of pornography is just like that of the culture.  If we are not acting morally how can we call out the non-believers for doing the same sort of  things?

Also notice the passage calls for “no strife.”  This has two meanings.  First, within the churches let’s stop worrying about worship styles, speaking in tongues, Armenian versus Calvinist.  Church, we are at war with our adversary.  Let us stop fighting among ourselves and fight as one unified body.

Second, “no strife” applies to those the churches view as “enemies” as well.  This includes Muslims, Gays, and our politicians.  They are not our enemies; they are under the influence and dominion of the Evil One who is our enemy.  Jesus is so clear that we need to love our enemies and do good to those that persecute us.   We are to overcome evil with good.  Does that mean baking them a cake, having them over our homes, sharing the love of Jesus with them?  Yes, it does.  Romans tells us “no strife.”  The Gospel is our weapon.

Now does that mean as citizens we shouldn’t attempt to protect our nation and families?  Of course not.  Government is established by God to protect the citizens.  As citizens we still have a voice and a vote, and should be active in attempting to have a righteous nation.  However, this cannot and should not be our primary means of warfare, and unfortunately for most it is.  Additionally, if the nation becomes unrighteous, we are not to win by fleshly means.  Look at what Romans 13 has to say about resisting government:

Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. (Rom. 13:2 NASB)

Paul wrote this passage during the reign of the horribly immoral Caesars.  Our nation is darkening, but it is not anything like Rome was yet.  Despite this, Paul said to honor authority, even immoral authority.

Persecutions

So why would God ever permit us to suffer persecution?  Let’s see what Jesus has to say:

But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for My name’s sake.  It will lead to an opportunity for your testimony.  So make up your minds not to prepare beforehand to defend yourselves; for I will give you utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute. But you will be betrayed even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death,  and you will be hated by all because of My name. (Luke 21: 12-17 NASB)

There is the purpose, there is our battle plan: “an opportunity for your testimony.”  Look what Revelation has to say about the power of testimony:

And they overcame him (Satan) because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death. (Rev. 12:11 NASB)

Those who follow God’s battle plan of testimony even unto death will help overcome Satan.  This passage is about Michael casting Satan to the earth.  The saints’ testimony somehow helps make that happen. Jesus is granting us this great privilege.  “For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake.” (Phil 1:29 NASB). God is telling us it is a privilege to suffer; an honor.  Let us embrace God’s Will for us.

We are going to face hard times.  On the night he was betrayed, Jesus sang this Psalm, “This is the day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it.”  Spiritual war is always won with a cross.  Let’s pick ours up.

 

 

 

41 thoughts on “Stop Calling It Culture War”

  1. Nelson, how would you respond to someone who believes that baking and decorating a “wedding” cake for a gay couple would be wrong for a Christian because “I don’t want to further their propaganda.”

    1. Jeanne, I view this gay couple as two “souls” headed for a Godless eternity. That is really what is at stake here IMO. The Christian baker might never have the chance to interact with these folks outside of his work environment. This might be his/her only chance to demonstrate the love of Christ and even present the Gospel if he/she doesn’t bake that cake. Baking a cake is not endorsing their lifestyle just like renting them an apartment isn’t either. But in every interaction we have the ability to shine the light of Christ if we have a relationship with them.

      Now where I draw the line will be when we are not permitted to speak the truth of the Bible to them; when it is branded as “hate” speach. That is a very dangerous line that may be crossed. That is the point at which civil disobedience is called for IMO.

      1. Thank you, Nelson. I had this conversation on Friday with the man who leads our Sunday School class, and this is what he said. That was the end of discussion. By his logic, even baking the cake is furthering the gay cause. But also by his logic, we would lose many opportunities to share the love of Christ present the Gospel.

        1. Jeanne, again, why not ask him his opinion about renting an apartment to an unmarried couple? What about selling a computer to a man addicted to porn? What about selling alcohol to an alcoholic or cigarettes to a smoker or even a cell phone to a a gossip? And these items actually aid and abet the sin. A cake does not.

          The “gay cause” is a political phrase not a spiritual one. And a much more effective political strategy is to share the gospel with as many as possible or take some of the actions mentioned in my blog about a Religious Liberty Battle Plan. The teaching of Evolution in our schools which ceases to honor God as creator is the root cause of many of these social ills. Romans 1:20 “For since the creation of the world, His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.” So if he wants to undo some of our social ills, fight back against separation of church and state and the teaching of evolution as fact would be my advice.

  2. Do you have any idea why a person with a depraved mind practices sin?

    Romans 1:18-21
    18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

    21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened

  3. Yes,I read your article. There is a misconception the wrath of God is not coming on the sinner it is coming on the unrepentant.

    1. I had a chance to check this out. He and I agree on most things. Although we need to engage the culture, it’s how we do it and what issues are primary that matter. The “Christian” media culture tend to get everyone excited about American politics, while issues within the church are ignored. It is the speck in our brother’s eye versus the log in our own eye. I just quoted Romans 1:28-32 to another reader. Amazing how the media gets excited about certain sins but this list is ignored. You might want to check out the section on the sins of Sodom in my most recent post. It is eye opening as well.

  4. Hey Nelson!

    What is the status of your book? Is it going to be coming out this month? Will it be on Amazon.com? What is the scoop?

    Blessings!

    1. The first printing of the book is currently on the presses. The publisher is a bit slow and steady so it looks like sometime in June. We filmed the promotional video (primarily to excite pastors about reading it) at the end of last month. That should be finished any day as well. Yes, it will be on Amazon and other online retailers, plus it will be in some Christian book stores. The most economical way to purchase will be on this website, however. Those who purchase here will get the DVD to give to their pastor with a copy of the book. That is the plan anyway.

      1. God bless you Nelson.
        We are living in the last days of latter days and every believers message to their neighbors should be the title of your Book.

        Jesus established his kingly authority when he entered Jerusalem on a Donkey.

        His Death, resurrection and Ascension to heaven established his Godly authority.

        His return back to this earth will prove to the whole world that God has given all authority in heaven and earth on to his Son.

        Looking forward to your Book.

  5. People that I know say that our country is split in half, with half of the nation being Christian, and half of it being non-Christian. These people still have hope for our nation, praying and believing that someone like Ben Carson will be our next president. What do you think of all of this?

    1. Hi Janae, This is where our role as citizen comes into play. Of course, I support and vote for candidates based on how I feel they match up with God’s agenda as I understand it. I would love to see the USA turn around and repent. It has a lot of repenting to do. I would like the Church to turn around and repent as well. My opinion is that the former won’t happen until the later does. “If my people, who are called by My Name…” (2Chron. 7:14) But I don’t presuppose to know God’s will. I pray and try to live my faith.

      If the USA suffers God’s judgment and all of us with it, He still causes all things to work together for good for those of us who are called according to his purposes. My eyes are set on a Kingdom that is coming and its King. I trust my King in all things.

  6. Well stated, Nelson. Thanks. In many ways ‘therein lies the problem.’ What also came to my mind was Jesus’ words of John 3:17-18.

    1. Absolutely Roz!

      17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God. (John 3:17-21 NASB)

  7. I, too, am wrestling with these issues, and asking the Holy Spirit for wisdom from the Word as I come face to face with them. Very recently the baker did an interview during which he stated he was being faithful to the command of 1 Tim 5:22 “nor share in other people’s sins…” I bring this up not to place the baker as the center of conversation and scrutiny (as this has been an excruciating experience as he explained), but to meditate on the Word and its right application in our lives. Would like to know your comments.

    1. Hi Roz, Thanks for commenting. Yes, these issues are not clear cut and hard to discern without the Holy Spirit. Let’s start with the verse the baker quoted and then discuss the greater issue of participating in sin. First, the baker horribly misinterprets 1 Tim. 5:22. Read all of 1 Tim 5, this is Paul’s instruction to young Timothy about how to be a pastor. Specifically chapter 5 is about how to “manage” deacons and elders. Let’s look at verse 22 in detail. Here is the NASB translation:

      22 Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.

      Paul is instructing Timothy not to “lay hands on” (ordain) an elder too quickly. Paul wants Timothy to check out the potential elder’s behavior for a while; to make sure he is spiritually the right man for the job. To ordain an elder prematurely and then find out that he was mired in sin would be “sharing” responsibility for the sins that elder might commit that would hurt the church or its churchgoers. As you can see this is a completely different meaning than what the baker was implying. So many in the church today “pick and choose” verses out of context to mean what they want them to mean. This was Satan’s tactic in his temptation of Jesus when the devil misapplied Psalms 91 about striking your foot against a stone.

      Jesus is clear, however, that we are not to cause these “little ones” to stumble. Is baking a cake causing the couple to sin? No. Performing the marriage ceremony might be, but certainly not baking a cake or renting a hall or taking photographs. These are opportunities for testimony that we wouldn’t have if we refused and retreated into our Christian Ghetto.

      “But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.” (1 Cor 2:14 NASB). What this says is that unbelievers cannot discern their sin. We shouldn’t be preaching to them about their sin (that is the job of the Holy Spirit), we should be preaching to them about the cross. AFTER they are saved, the Holy Spirit can convict them of sin. The reason we have a problem with the redefinition of marriage in this country is the church has been negligent in its job of preaching the cross for generations and the society has become predominantly unbelieving. Unbelievers sin. It shouldn’t be surprising. Unbelievers hate Christians as well. That also shouldn’t be surprising. To think we can legislate these things back is also foolishness. We are no longer the majority.

      But we can love our enemies as our Lord commands. We can act like the Church in the Book of Acts. They were wildly successful in spite of immorality and opposition.

  8. The issue of obedience to government isn’t as simple as it at first sounds. The book of Daniel records more than one instance when the righteous disobeyed those in power over them.

    Early Christians were martyred because they refused to obey an ordinance that demanded the worship of Caesar.

    In Nazi Germany a crime against a Jew wasn’t a crime. Would any of us feel okay about selling, or delivering Zyklon-B to the death camps? How many died because they disobeyed the Nazi government, and sheltered Jews. Where they wrong to do so?

    Right now in my country, the homosexual lobby has succeeded in forcing schools to teach our youngest kids that their practices are not only natural, but commendable. Schools are penalised for not doing this. If you were a teacher, would you obey the law, and teach this abomination?

    Of course those things I speak of above are extremes aren’t they? Baking a cake, or letting a room can’t be compared can it?

    How about if they require you to write ‘On the eighth day God made Gays’ on that cake? What kind of a witness to the hoteliers kids would letting the room be?

    1. The rule of thumb is to obey the law of the land unless it conflicts with God’s law. In those cases civil disobedience is called for. Remember that Paul wrote Romans 13 during the reign of Nero Caesar; a horribly immoral ruler. Obviously worship of anything other than God or killing is breaking God’s law. My new book has a section on Corrie Ten Boom and the Hiding Place during WWII.

      The Bible clearly teaches that we will be asked to take the Mark of the Beast. At that point disobedience will be required. IMO, there will be plenty of other civil laws imposed that we will need to break as well. This post was written not to encourage keeping civil laws at the expense of God’s law, but rather to point out that the USA is not a holy nation. Its laws may conflict with God’s law. We are to use our citizenship to try and reverse them, but not to the point of civil disobedience UNTIL we are personally asked to break God’s law. It is at that point, we disobey; not with strife but with meekness and Holy Spirit inspired testimony.

      The martyrs who cry out under the altar in heaven at the 5th Seal were killed for the Word of God and their testimony. My assumption is we may well be in that number. The second purpose of the article was to awaken readers to the truth that hard times are coming and for them to not assume that we can avoid them by “fighting” in the flesh.

    1. Yes, they are churchgoers who fall away in the Great Apostasy. All 10 have a lamp. This is LAMPAS in the Greek. Not lamp but “torch.” The ten foolish attempt to light their lamp, but don’t have enough oil (Holy Spirit) to keep it lit. They know Jesus, cry out for him to open up the door of heaven so they too can enter the wedding feast, but he says “I never knew you” to them. They are truly those “left behind” at the rapture at the end of the sixth year of the Tribulation and endure the Wrath of God in the seventh. I assume it will be the majority of churchgoers today. Jesus said the love of MOST will grow cold.

      1. Thank you Nelson for clarifying this point. The narrow road to heaven applies even to all the church goers. There is no Holy Spirit living in us and leading our lives, if genuine repentance has not caused our lifestyles to be transformed to the likeness of Christ Jesus. There needs to be a decision to turn away from sin, before we can be forgiven of our sins and accept the Holy Spirit in our lives. So all the seeds that have roots in by the thorny or rocky areas, are the professing believing souls that are not led by the Holy Spirit and will stay to see the wrath of God.

  9. I am surrounded by people who are “expecting the world to go back to the 1990’s,” as you say here. I live, work, and go to church with people who are expecting everything to be “fine” again. Members of my family, who work in full-time Christian ministry and teach at Christian universities, laugh at the idea of “prepping” and never discuss prophecy. I agree with you Nelson – the church is not ready.

    1. Mt. 25:5 tells us “the bridegroom was a long time in coming so they ALL became drowsy and fell asleep.” Although this clearly says the wise virgins are sleeping just like the foolish virgins, the Church doesn’t want to believe this applies to them. Chapter Two of the new book discusses this.

  10. Should a believer in Yashua Messiah holding the office of magistrate perform a gay marriage?

    1. Hi David, Excellent and difficult question. Personally I would resign my position as magistrate. IMO, this is completely different than renting a hall, baking a cake, taking photos, etc. These acts are providing service to the sinners. The magistrate is an agent of the state and upholding an immoral law.

      Is performing a gay wedding any different morally than knowingly renting a hotel room to 2 unmarried folks? Makes you think because that is encouraging sin as well. Most Christians wouldn’t blink an eye at this one, but it is an almost identical issue, just not as politically charged.

      There are plenty of jobs a Christian cannot and should not hold: abortionist, staff member in an abortion clinic, etc.

      Your question is a tough one, but IMO what we are facing now is only the tip of the iceberg of what is coming and coming fairly soon. That’s one reason I wrote my book “Are We Ready For Jesus.” I don’t think the Church is ready.

      1. Thank you. I totally agree, and have not performed such a ceremony as a magistrate and will resign rather than perform one. I am waiting to see what the Supreme Court has to say. Blessings!

  11. Very well stated Nelson! These are precisely the issues that need to be addressed. Praise God for his wisdom in these last days, and willing servants like you, in whom he has blessed with such wisdom, and boldness also, to call things as they truly are.

    1. Thanks Vernon. The conservative and Christian media fuel the fleshly solution to problems. “Love thy enemies” and “embrace persecution” doesn’t sell. “Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold.” (Matt 24:12 NASB). Is what this post discusses a portion of what Jesus was warning us about? I think we Christians need to guard our hearts from our love growing cold.

    1. Hi BJ and Alisa,

      Thanks for the thoughtful question. My short answer is “no,” but here is my take on this: We comply with the law of the land whether it is an immoral authority or not except where it conflicts with God’s law. Sharia will conflict. Our current USA government is an immoral authority, abortion laws alone tell us that. Most Americans, however, think this is a Godly nation. It isn’t, it is part of Satan’s domain.

      Jesus followed the law of the land under immoral Roman rule and told us to render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and to God the things that are God’s. Baking a cake does NOT conflict with God’s law so it would fall under rendering to Caesar. Additionally read my reply to Jeanne. Baking a cake for a same sex marriage can be rendering to God as well. Our Lord ate and drank with sinners on a regular basis. Shouldn’t we as well? Our testimony is a mighty spiritual weapon.

      Paul wrote that we are to pay our taxes in Romans 13. Rome used those taxes for all sorts of illicit purposes. Those who make the laws and spend the taxes are subject to judgment, but paying taxes alone is biblical.

      Now, getting to your specific question about Sharia Law. Under Sharia denying the Quran or Allah are punishable by death, I assume none of us could comply with that and would be promptly put to death. This is what I anticipate happening under Isa, the Muslim Jesus. I think you are anticipating this as well.

      Given that the time is short, my opinion is twofold. One we should prepare for persecution and even embrace it if it is God’s will for us. Second, we should stop living in a Christian “ghetto” and engage the culture.

      All of this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be politically active or shouldn’t pray and work for righteous laws. Heaven forbid. We are citizens and still have a right to speak and vote. However, our hope does not lie in the USA. We will never enforce morality as the Pharisees tried to do, morality comes from a heart change through a relationship with Christ. The Church has neglected the souls of those who are objectionable to them (gays,Muslims)for the most part and look at the result.

      1. Nelson, I think your answers have been well balanced, and I thank you. I’m sure not every Christian will agree with you, but you’ve given me a different perspective to think about regarding our work and how we should engage those who oppose us. Yes, there is definitely a line that cannot be crossed, but Jesus sat and ate with immoral people without participating in their immorality. And he always called them to repent of their sin. And that, in my opinion, is the right balance.

  12. “Jesus is so clear that we need to love our enemies and do good to those that persecute us. We are to overcome evil with good. Does that mean baking them a cake, having them over our homes, sharing the love of Jesus with them? Yes, it does. Romans tells us “no strife.” The Gospel is our weapon.”

    1. Would refusing to bake a cake, cater, prepare flowers, or do the photography for a same sex “marriage” be considered creating strife, especially since these services require a certain amount of participation in the event on the part of the business owner (i.e., with regard to photography and catering, you must be present at the event; with the others you must deliver to the place of the event and with a cake possibly decorate it)? Or should Christians go along in order not to create “strife”?

    2. In such a circumstance, how would we use the Gospel as a “weapon”, exactly? Quote Romans 1? How would participation in an ungodly event be considered overcoming evil with good?

    Where does one draw the in these situations without creating strife? Where is the line between not creating “strife” and self-preservation?

    1. Jeanne, As always you ask such good questions. These are toughies. The answer below is my opinion. All of us need to follow the Spirit’s leading.

      1. Let’s say I’m a baker. (I’m not). If I was, it would be because God gave me that gift and every time I used it, I would glorify him. That is exactly how I feel about my present day job BTW. If I was in a state that legalized same sex marriage and was asked to bake a cake for one, I’d do it. This isn’t participating in the event or sanctioning the sin, it’s serving those God created and desires to be reconciled to with the gift he gave me. I would be friendly and caring like I was to all my patrons. BUT, I would pray to the Father to give me an opportunity for a testimony about Jesus. I guarantee you I’d probably get one. The Father is faithful, his desire is for all to be reconciled. He has given us the ministry of reconciliation. IMO we should take that seriously. I like to imagine myself as God’s ambassador here in the dominion of Satan. Someday my King will overthrow him, but for now, I try to be the King’s ambassador in foreign territory.

      2. In a state where same sex marriage is legal, to not bake the cake is in some ways an act of civil disobedience. Jesus was never civilly disobedient. This is fleshly not spiritual warfare and horribly counter-productive to those that are lost. They loose an opportunity to hear the gospel. I think we get the USA mixed up as if it is Christ’s dominion already and we have heavenly rights here. It is still Satan’s dominion. I try to remind myself I’m a citizen of the Kingdom that is coming.

      3. In my opinion quoting Romans 1 won’t work. ” But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised” (1 Cor. 2:14 NASB). My rule of thumb is with an unbeliever always point him/her toward the cross. Once they’re saved the Holy Spirit will convict them of sin. At that point we also can rebuke a brother or sister. But personally I never rebuke an unbeliever. Sinners sin after all. It’s what they do best.

      I serve all kind of sinners in my present secular job: gays, Muslims, sexually immoral, drunkards, etc. I pray for opportunities. You’d be shocked what happens. I try to ” always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear” (1 Pet. 3:15 NASB). I look at working with the lost as an opportunity for testimony just like in Luke 21. Many times the seed falls on the “hard path.” But many time it takes root.

      Again, these are only my opinions.

      1. Nelson,
        You are in line with Jesus Christ. He said you are either for me or against me. The whole point of revelation is the great divide that will occur in all of humanity. Everyone will be forced to decide, to be with Christ or not. This is why the scriptures speak of the great apostasy occurring simultaneously with the great conversion. The Word of God is echoed in all things. Pray that we ware able to overcome all these things that will occur in tribulation, that we can stand before the Lord.

      2. As Jesus said, no one lights a lamp and put it under the basket. Jesus never refused an invitation
        to sinners home, which was tabooed In his days.

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