Who are the 144,000?

Who are the 144,000? Jewish evangelists, Christians sealed from  Wrath, or the first fruits of the Jewish remnant who are saved?

Who are the 144,000?

I propose they are the first fruits of the Jewish remnant who are saved AND raptured along with the church. Ninety-nine percent of Prophecy teachers will scoff at this idea. It is “common knowledge” among most teachers that that unsaved Jewish remnant will repent at the physical Second Coming when Jesus comes to fight Armageddon and will not participate in the Rapture. And I agree that “most” of the Jewish remnant will repent at that point. But not all, however. Some will repent earlier.

Even though (as you will see in this article) there is evidence in Scripture that a portion of the Jewish remnant will participate in the rapture, this isn’t considered by most because that would be inconsistent with the pretribulation and post-tribulation rapture theories.

However, in our LAST ARTICLE “When Will The Jewish Remnant Repent?” we began to examine this question in detail and learned that the unsaved Jewish remnant will mourn :

  1. After the Great Tribulation
  2. After the Cosmic Signs of the Sixth Seal
  3. When Jesus comes on the clouds
  4. But before the Trumpet and Bowl Judgments, and
  5. At least 5 months prior to the physical second coming.

This doesn’t answer the question of when they will repent, however. Mourning and repentance unto faith are different things. Mourning is great sadness, grief, and regret.  Mourning and regret may lead to repentance and faith, but it is a process and may not be immediate (if at all).

Will the Jewish Remnant be Raptured?

In order for any of the unsaved Jewish remnant to be raptured, however, they must come to faith in Jesus prior to the Rapture.  Amos tells us that the unsaved Jews will enter the Wrath of the God and the Day of the Lord:

Alas, you who are longing for the day of the Lord, for what purpose will the day of the Lord be to you? It will be darkness and not light; as when a man flees from a lion and a bear meets him. (Rev. 5:18-19)

So certainly not all unsaved Jews will repent and be raptured. In fact there is only circumstantial evidence that any unsaved Jews will repent in time to be raptured. But there is some evidence that a few of them might be! Let’s look at that evidence together.

And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.”  And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel. (Rev. 7:2-4)

“Sealed” is usually a term which means saved (Eph. 1:13, Eph. 4:30, 2 Cor. 1:22). Why are these 144,000 (and only these 144,000) chosen for the seal and why are they called bondservants if they are apostate Jews? The answers may be that these are those who place their faith in Jesus when he appears in the sky prior to the Rapture.

First Fruits

Later in Revelation, we encounter the 144,000 again.

Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads . . . These have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, (Rev. 14:1,4)

This time we are told the seal on the heads of 144,000 has Jesus’s name as well as the Father’s, they are saved at this point. We are also told they were redeemed as “first fruits.” The first fruits offerings that took place in ancient Israel were at once the giving to God of the first of the harvest and second were a “pledge” that the rest of the harvest would come in.

If we apply this meaning to the 144,000, they would be the first of the harvest that begins at the resurrection and the rapture. But what crop are we discussing? Since they are a distinctly Jewish group made up of the twelve tribes, it is a Jewish harvest. This leaves two possibilities. They are either the first 144,000  Jews ever saved who met the special criteria given in Rev. 14 (follow Jesus, not defiled, etc.) and are resurrected or they are the first living Jews saved upon the appearance of Jesus in the sky “when every eye shall see him.”

If it is the first meaning, the group would include Peter, Paul, John, etc. The problem with this first interpretation is why would the seal of God be applied to this group only after their resurrection? This makes no sense, they had the seal of God applied during their earthly life. So this strongly implies the second meaning.

If it is the second meaning , it is the first fruits of the harvest that begins when the fullness of the gentiles has come in; the moment after which the partial hardening is lifted.  After the partial hardening is lifted, then they can come to faith.

Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.  And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, The Deliverer will come from Zionhe will banish ungodliness from Jacob” (Rom. 11:25-26)

The term “fullness of the gentiles has come in” is a harvest term, the “gathering in” of the crop. So the Jewish harvest begins after the full number of gentiles to be harvested have been saved. It would be at this point, that the “first fruits” of that Jewish harvest would apply; the first fruits of those who had been partially hardened, but now these will come to faith in Jesus. The use of the common term “Zion” in Rom. 11 and Rev. 14 makes me think this is the what John was referring to in Rev. 14:1.

So there is a first fruits and a main gathering of the harvest of the remnant.

Will the Jewish Remnant be Raptured?

All of Israel” is not saved when Jesus comes on the clouds (Rev. 6:16, Rev. 1:7, Matt. 24:30, Mark 13:26), but might the “first fruits” harvest of the 144,000 apostate Jews be saved at this point? Might they also be raptured?

The prophet Joel is rather specific about this. Prior to Jesus coming on the clouds, God will send his Spirit in the form of dreams and visions:

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. (Joel 2:28)

Jesus is currently doing this among the Muslim people in a mighty move of the Spirit, but Joel is specific that this phenomenon will happen to all flesh including the apostate Jews as we clearly see it shall affect “your old men” and “your young men.” This move of the Spirit will prepare the apostate remnant for what comes next:

And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke.  The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.  (Joel 2:30-31)

After the great move of the Spirit of grace depicted in Joel 2:28 and Zech. 12:10 comes the Celestial Earthly Distrubance, the sixth seal of Rev. 6:12-15 and Matt. 24:29.

Then Joel answers our question for us:

And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls. (Joel 2:32)

Joel is specific that after the sixth seal, everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord Jesus shall be saved and ESCAPE. What shall they escape? Why the coming Day of the Lord (Wrath of God), of course!! That’s what’s listed just one verse earlier.  And the only way of escape is through the rapture, so Joel is telling us that “there shall be those who escape” in Mount Zion (another reference to Rev. 14:1). I now believe these are the 144,000 who are sealed in Revelation 7:1-8.

The Testimony of Revelation

If we look at the events of Rev. 6:12 – Rev. 7:17, we clearly see this scenario played out in exact chronological order.

  1. The sixth seal is opened and sun darkening, moon to blood event (The Celestial Earthly Disturbance) takes place (Rev. 6:12-14, Matt. 24:29, Joel 2:30-31).
  2. Jesus is seen coming on the clouds of heaven and all the tribes of the earth mourn (Rev. 6:15-17, Matt. 24:29-30, Rev. 1:7). Rev. 1:7 is clear this is the event pictured in Zech. 12:10 because John quotes it.
  3. A select group, 144,000 apostate Jews, are sealed at this point, which we previously showed is linked to salvation, meaning that they repent at this point. (Rev. 7:1-8). They are the ones who call upon the Name of the Lord, Jesus, at this point. (Joel 2:32)
  4. This small group of first fruits of the Jewish remnant is then raptured into heaven with the saints of all the ages. (Rev. 7;9-17) They “escape” the Day of the Lord (Joel 2:32)

This then fulfills this ancient prophecy from Isaiah:

In that day the Lord will start his threshing from the flowing stream of the Euphrates to the brook of Egypt, and you will be gathered up one by one, O sons of Israel. It will come about also in that day that a great trumpet will be blown, and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship the Lord in the holy mountain at Jerusalem. (Isa. 27:12-13)

This is the same gathering together that takes place in Matt. 24:31 and is mentioned in 2 Thess. 2:1 as well. Then the 144,000 are specifically depicted in heaven in Rev. 14:

And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth.  (Rev. 14:3)

This verse shows two things. First that the 144,000 are specifically in heaven with the living creatures. This cannot be an earthly scene. Then second, it shows them playing harps, an activity that requires bodies. They aren’t souls, they are in resurrection bodies. They have been raptured.

Neither the pretrib. nor post-trib. rapture positions expect this nor have an answer for why this group of first fruits is in heaven prior to Armageddon.

Jewish Jealousy

This understanding also makes another mysterious passage clear.

I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. (Rom. 11:11)

Are the Jews currently jealous of Christians? No, they aren’t. But Rom. 10 and Deut. 32 also mention this jealousy. When does it happen? Why at the rapture as well. The Rapture is a very visible event (contrary to pretrib. thinking). All the world will witness the Rapture of the saints to the side of Jesus in the air. It is at that moment that the Jews will become jealous of the physical salvation of Christians. It is only then that they could become jealous.

Summary

Now that it has been clearly established that the Rapture is prewrath, many other end time events come into clear focus. So who are the 144,000? They are the first fruits of the Jewish remnant who repent and are raptured along with the church.

47 thoughts on “Who are the 144,000?”

  1. Seems to me that the location of the sealed 144.000 (all tribes) is not only Israel (see first verses Rev. 7) and depends on bloodline,
    contrary to the “Great Multitude”. It will be the Jewish Remnant in Israel, looking at Him “..they have pierced”, repent and mourn, when He put his
    feet on Mount Zion at his Second Coming.

    1. This is exactly how I used to think Sigrun. The key verse is Rev. 14:3. The 144k are obviously before the throne in HEAVEN not on earth, singing before the living creatures and the elders. How did they get there?

      BTW, I notice you think the Jewish remnant mourns at the physical Second Coming (Rev. 19:11-15). Not so. Read this article as well

      1. You are right, I mentioned the “Second Coming” unclear.
        There is a gap between “Coming in the Clouds” (Rapture)
        and the physical Coming. Do you see a connection between
        the last event and the separation of the sheep from the goats?
        May be you gave already your opinion in an article.

        Blessings and thank you very much!

        1. The Sheep and Goats is a Millennial prophecy IMO. Jesus sits on his throne and judges the nations based on “works” not faith. This indicates to me that they are living survivors of the Tribulation period. The sheep enter the Millennial Kingdom, the Goats are thrown into the lake of fire.

  2. Hi Nelson, thanks for your studies, I am reading your new book at the moment. Brilliant!

    Can you help me though with Revelation 9:4 where the locusts are told to harm ‘only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.’

    Does this indicate that there are some with God’s seal on their forehead who will not be harmed by the locusts, similar to the protection given in Ezekiel 9:4, or have I misunderstood this?

    Thanks for your help.

    1. I think its obvious that God is going to protect some with his seal during that time. Who are these people? When Jesus come on the clouds only those who have saving faith in him are raptured. The foolish virgins are not and other than the 144k, the Jewish remnant is not. Yet all of these saw him come on the clouds. This is the church of Laodicea, lukewarm. Not mark of the beast takers but not with saving faith either. Some or maybe even most of these repent during the year long DOL and receive the seal. So IMO they are believers at that point and thus protected from the locusts.

  3. Nelson: I think the sixth seal is very interesting and exciting year to be on earth. Wish you could do a more detailed writing on this seal.
    1) I wonder why God chooses to show celestial signs and disturbances during this period?
    2) what is the signifance of Sun and Moon changing colors, and how life can be lived out during the sixth year, both for believers and non-believer?
    3) What will AC be up to on the sixth year?

  4. Brother Nelson, I’ve read all your your three books and found it fascinating. I’m convinced that Pre-wrath is true and others specially pre-trib teaching is false and very dangerous. I thank God for your sound biblical teachings. I learned about you from Joel Richardsons Underground show. But One thing I noticed that your view on the 144,000 Jews in your book Rev. deciphered and Rapture case closed is different, can you please clarify?. Also based on your teachings,that the Bible tells us to be preppers(to be revivalist), when do we do it and could you give us tips how to do it? Thank you and God bless you more.

    1. Joel V. thank you. You are very observant about that difference. The reason for the difference is that I don’t take myself too seriously. I am always searching for truth and am willing to change my mind if I find something that makes more sense biblically. That is one of those things. When I wrote Revelation Deciphered in 2015 I trusted the traditional prewrath view on the 144k. But when I wrote Rapture: Case Closed? I re-explored that issue and wrote what I now think to be true. There are several other things I may change my mind about – who knows. None of us are right about everything at this point.

  5. I don’t know what persuaded me to think different on Revelation. My first couple of readings when I was a teen led me to perceive a perspective that was more like mid-tribulation based. I was suspect of pretribulation views but I didn’t want to sound like I was wishing it on people because I didn’t think they could handle it. Love believes the best.
    In the wisdom of the Spirit, Love and logic must both govern in understanding these passages. How people with the pretribulational views on the 144,000 never made any sense because it assumes Jews would blend into the Gentile assemblies if raptured early.

  6. Nelson:

    1) Do you think the $144k saved Jews come into faith as result of 2 witnesses?
    2) Will their rapture cause more Jews to come to faith during the last year?
    3) Don’t you think majority of these $144k Jews will be martyred by AC, before they are raptures to heaven?

    1. Thanks Afo,
      1. I certainly think the 144k are influenced by the witnesses, but to me its Jesus appearing in the sky that leads to their faith
      2. I certainly think the visible rapture will lead to jealousy and faith of the remaining remanant
      3. No, since I envision them coming to faith upon the sighting of Jesus and that is the moment the rest of the world is hiding under rocks.

      1. Nelson

        I haven’t had time to get to grips with your book yet……But I’m struggling to see why at the appearing of Jesus in the sky , which results in the rapture, and kings hiding under rocks…..why only the 144000 would be raptured and not the rest of the Jews , who would clearly then see he was the messiah…….

  7. As I see it, the 144K are the ones sealed immediately after the rapture. All the seals are opened at the same time. That is the only way to “open the scroll” which Jesus is said to do. The 144K are sealed in the very same context as the huge multitude standing before God’s throne. I believe Jesus prophesied about them here:

    Matt 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

    Rapture, followed by…

    28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

    Everyone seems to take the second verse out of context and point to the transfiguration. I don’t think so. God does what only God can do. He prophesies. Some of the 144K will be standing in that exact spot at rapture time and they will survive until the second coming to earth.

    Have you ever wondered why the 144K are sealed by angels and not the Holy Spirit as we are?

    1. “Have you ever wondered why the 144K are sealed by angels and not the Holy Spirit as we are?” this is a good question, Harvos. I don’t have a complete answer, however, 1 Thess. 4:16-17 doesn’t show the angels rapture us, but Matt. 24:31 does. So there are slight nuances of extra meaning in different accounts. Who is to say Angels don’t do all the sealing at the order of the HS.

      It terms of Matt. 16:28 may have more to do with the coming of the Kingdom which started with the initiation of the church after the resurrection, ie. the Kingdom. It is a tough verse as well.

      1. Ah Nelson! ( I say all excited)

        Math 16v28……..for so long i looked for an explanation for this verse, wanting to answer a clever clogs who said Jesus falsely prophesied a first century second coming, but simply could not find a satisfactory one including the transfiguration example.

        I confessed it did look like Jesus was talking to his disciples about his actual second coming, but clearly they would all be dead when that accrued.

        Then i read a small article that helped me greatly, the guy said:
        “Just like the disciples we all naturally think in the flesh realm.”

        But…..Jesus doesn’t. In short this helped me.

        1: Jesus was indeed talking to his disciples. about his actual coming kingdom .

        2: He said SOME (Not all) of them would not die until …………..

        3: We know of at least one disciple that did not die until he saw Christ coming in his kingdom, John on the Isle of Patmos. We don’t know how many other disciples also saw future events in the Spirit realm.

        This made good sense to me, but even if it isn’t the exact right answer, i think its a jolly good one.(Smiley face)

          1. Hi Nelson, It has been awhile since we talked. I discuss these passages (Mat 16:24-28, Mark 8:34-9:1, Luke 9:23-27) in my book that I sent you. If you read all three parallel accounts together you will see that we must interpret these verses as referring to the return of Christ. Go to Appendix 1 “The Kingdom of God at Jesus’s Second Coming” and start reading on the bottom of page 287 and read thru page 292. This is tough stuff but there is an answer. Two scriptures help put us on the right track to responsibly interpret the verses in context of His return. They are John 8:52 and Hebrews 2:9, 14-15. From there, you need to work through God’s wrath on the day of judgment, etc. I won’t go into all of the details.

            It was around Sept of last year as I was sitting in my chair studying the Word on a Saturday morning that the answers came to me on this. It started with a question that arose in my mind – what is tasting death?

            -Brandon Emch

  8. The 144,000 can also be Jewish witnesses who are chosen to stay behind after the rapture to evangelize and witness during the Trumpet Judgments of Revelation and after their ministry is finished, then they get beheaded.

    1. Not really Johnny. First notice the timing of the sealing. These Jews are sealed AFTER the cosmic disturbances (Rev. 6:12-17, Matt. 24:29, Joel 2:30-31). They are awfully late to the party if they are evangelists because the very next event is the return of Jesus.

      Second, they aren’t the souls of martyrs. In Rev. 6:9-11 we see actual souls of martyrs prior to a resurrection. They are under the altar, are crying out for justice, and are told to wait to wear their white garments. Then in Rev. 7:9-17 we see the resurrected saints. They are now before the throne, in wild celebration, under Jesus’s tabernacle, they are wear white garments, and doing things that only someone with a body can do (wear garments and wave palm branches). Most importantly of all, in Rev. 6:9-11, John recognizes them. In Rev. 7:9-17, he doesn’t, he has to ask who they are. A change has happened and that change is the one that occurs in 1 Thess. 15:51-52, they are give resurrection bodies. So the rapture happens in Rev. 7:9 just as it does in Matt. 24:31. Not pretrib. Now we know the 144 fall into this same category because in Rev. 14 they are playing harps, only something a body can do!

  9. 144,000. Whether this number is to be taken literally or figuratively, the obvious question is: why exactly this number? The answer is usually along these lines: there are twelve tribes of Israel and twelve emissaries; there are ten Commandments; squaring the former and cubing the latter bespeaks perfection, the perfection and fullness of Israel.
    Israel numbered 7,200,000 at the time of the destruction of the second Temple. The t’rumah (the offering to priests from the first fruits) is normally one fiftieth (Mishna, T’rumot 4:3), which here comes to 144,000. At Rom 11:16 Paul remarked that ‘if the Shabbat bread as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole loaf.’ Thus the meaning is that if the firstfruits of Israel, the 144,000 Messianic Jews who put their trust in Yeshua, is holy, then the whole loaf, all of Israel, is holy. Therefore Paul continues, ‘In this way all Israel will be saved. As the Tanakh says, “Out of Zion will come the Redeemer; he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob (Rom 11:26).’ This is in accordance with my comment on 1:7, which says that when the sign of the son of man is seen in heaven, the children of Israel will repent, recognize the Messiah, and mourn because they pierced him unjustly. This is when all Israel will be saved. Yet the condition for this is the prior salvation of 144,000.
    Although there is no way of knowing exactly how many Jews there were in 70 C.E., scholars agree that the number was between five and ten million. The number of Messianic Jews then, as now, was surely in six figures, but it would be sheer speculation to fix it at 144,000.
    Of all the tribes of the children of Israel. The plain sense of this phrase is “from among the entire Jewish people.” But many commentators say it refers to the Church. It must be suggested that this phrase refers possibly not only to the Jews but also to the entire Body of the Messiah. Moreover, at Gal 6:16 and Eph 2:11-13, “Israel” is used in a way that does include saved Gentiles, new creations formerly distant but now brought near and grafted in (Rom 11:17-24). However, the case that the 144,000 from every tribe of the people of Israel means “the Church” is harder to make here; because v. 9 below speaks of “a hugh crowd, too large for anyone to count, from every nation, tribe, people and language.” Apparently, this innumerable crowd of saved Gentiles is to be contrasted with the delimited number of saved Jews in the present verse. Furthermore, to emphasize the fact that these 144,000 are Jews, vv 5-8 lists the twelve tribes; this would have no immediate relevance to the Church. See also 14:1-5, where the number 144,000 reappears.
    One objection sometimes made to interpreting these 144,000 as Jews is that there is supposedly no reason why Jews would be singled out for special protection. Such thinking contradicts the whole of salvation history as set forth in the Tanakh and reflects an unawareness on the part of Gentile Christian commentators that they have been joined to Israel, that is, to the Jewish people. God, by his grace, has singled out the Jewish people for special protection for thousands of years. After centuries of dispensation and persecution, culminating in the Holocaust, the Jews would not exist at all without such protection. This protection is promised over and over by the Prophets, even when Israel becomes sinful and breaks covenant; though it is not always promised to the entire people, but rather only to a remnant (see Rom 9:27-29, 11:1-32)—such as the 144,000. Moreover, the sealing of the Jewish people from judgment corresponds specifically to God’s promise at Zechariah 9:14-16.

    1. First of all Johnny, your comments are too long to reply to. Keep them short, and I will reply. I will reply to this comment out of courtesy, but from now on, please keep your comments short.

      In terms of whether 144k is an actual number, when John sees 24 literal elders he reports it. When he sees myriads of angels he gives it an nondiscript number. When he sees a great multitude he gives it a nondiscript number. In terms of those sealed, he was TOLD the number. It is an actual literal number. Sorry no symbols here.

      Rom 11:16 has nothing to do with first fruits but is an analogy about the root of the olive tree which directly follows. The bread analogy is about leavening a loaf. I don’t know where you got this teaching, but I would beware of its source.

      Second, Rev. 1:7 and Matt. 24:30 mention mourning NOT repentance. There is a difference as the article indicates. Please do not assume all of Israel repents at the sight of Christ. Some do and are raptured, some endure the Day of the Lord and the Wrath of God. BTW, notice that the sighting of Jesus takes place in Rev. 6:16. This is the equivalent verse to Matt. 24:30, long before Jesus lands to fight Armageddon.

      “Apparently, this innumerable crowd of saved Gentiles is to be contrasted with the delimited number of saved Jews in the present verse.” I agree with you on this, but the 144k are in the great multitude before the throne.

      In terms of Zech. 9, don’t stop at verse 16, notice verse 17 mentions the virgins! Also notice verse 9:14 shows Jesus appearing in the air and blowing the trumpet of God which is the same trumpet as 1 Thess. 4:16-17. This is not the all Israel shall be saved day, but the first fruits. Of course the 144k are mentioned in Rev. 7 to show fulfillment of all these great OT passages.

      I recommend you pick up Rapture: Case Closed? on Amazon. It is important to get rapture timing correct, after that everything else falls into place.

      1. David L. Sterns Jewish NT Commentary did a good job on that portion of the 144,000.
        The 144,000 Jewish evangelist finish their ministry at Pesach/Passover.
        Some had their sealing on the Day of Trumpet in 2016.

      2. You said: In terms of Zech. 9, don’t stop at verse 16, notice verse 17 mentions the virgins! Also notice verse 9:14 shows Jesus appearing in the air and blowing the trumpet of God which is the same trumpet as 1 Thess. 4:16-17.
        As I read through Zech 9, I see a timeline beginning in 2007 with Gaza and Palestinians (Philistines) and all the way to the present with the day of the Lord beginning in 2017 (Rev 2:10 has 10 days of Tribulation which can be 10 years).
        2007, July: Hamas forces take control of Gaza after fierce fighting against Fatah forces and loyalists. Fatah remains in control of the larger West Bank territory. The geographically separate occupied territories are effectively divided between Hamas and Fatah.
        This caught my attention when I read it this week and when I went through Zech 9:1-8 I was reminded of this conflict.
        Then on the Day of Trumpet (Sabbath) during the days of Awe, was a sign in the Heavens in Leo.

        You say you do not date set but 2015 was a Shemitah year (7th year), 2014 was 6th year. 2016 was the 8th year and 2017 is the 9th year in Lev 25:20-22 or 23.

        1. Johnny, the Day of the Lord beginning in 2017? This is a very specific prophecy that we should be able to check in 2 months time. I strongly advise against date setting like this unless you have overwhelming support. The reason is if you are wrong, you are rightly deemed a false prophet. Plus it has effects on others and their faith. If you are wrong about this prediction, I advise stepping back and reconsidering doing this sort of date assignment.

  10. Are the 144,000 in Rev 14:3-7 a different group? They are identified as redeemed but also virgins and not defiled by women. They also sing a song only they can learn and follow the Lamb wherever he goes. This has always been difficult to understand.

        1. This is certainly another tough verse Ken. “Virgin” is one who is keeping themselves pure for the return of the bridegroom. I don’t think this is particularly male group despite the terminology, but I’m not sure.

  11. “And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed FROM EVERY TRIBE OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL (Rev. 7:2-4)”

    The Jews are from the tribes of Juda and Benjamin (the Southern Kingdom of Israel) But this verse is speaking about ALL the tribes of Israel; not only the Jews! So the problem is that we keep mixing up the Jews and the Israelites (scattered abroad). Jesus said He came for the lost sheep of Israel, to make them one again, one Israel, and the gentiles who except Him blended in.
    That’s what makes it a bit complicated: what does the Bible mean when it mentions Israel in the end times: the Jews from the 2 southern tribes, all the Israelis from the 12 tribes, or every believer: Jew, Israeli, former gentile now believer?

    1. This is a great question Marijke. Last year we undertook a through examination of the question of whether Christians are grafted into the Israelite tribes. The short answer is “no” they are not, and that all 12 tribes are currently present in the land of Israel as “Jews” and are not lost. I invite you to read the entire series for yourself HERE. If you have questions about any of the individual articles in the series, please ask on the comment page of that attached article.

      So based on that previous series of articles, I conclude that all 12 tribes are in the Land practiciing Judaism. Although the term “Jew” refers to the tribe of Judah and the southern kingdom, it also refers to the practice of Judaism by all 12 tribes. Now obviously many Israelites have come to faith in Jesus throughout the centuries. These cannot be the 144k, however, as this article indicates. They received the seal of the Holy Spirit when they came to faith. Why would they be resealed? That makes no sense. And why would they be the “first fruits” of Jewish conversion? This also makes no sense in light of previous theories about the 144k.

        1. I am aware of that. However this doesn’t mean the AC comes from Dan. Remember 1 John 2:22 where the AC denies Father and Son, an Israelite would only deny the son.

          Dan isn’t mentioned in Chronicles either. Some believe they have gone entirely to idolatry at that point. Levi is inserted in Dan’s place and Ephraim is probably referred to as Joseph.

          1. 59. Babylon turns totally antichrist and is the leading antichrist power at the end (Rev 18:2; Isa 14:4-6).
            60. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST (Isa 14:4-6).
            61. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).
            62. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY (Isa 14; Hab 2, Rev 13, 17, 18).
            63. This world entity will be a diverse entity, different than all other ruling bodies of the world (Dan 7:7, 23).
            64. This entity will be a TREATY POWER ENTITY (Dan 7:7, 23 DIVERSE).
            65. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13, 17).
            1947+62 Feasts of Weeks/Pentecosts = 2009 CE. Who was President of the USA in 2009? He received the Norwegian Peace Medallion on the 7th Day of Feast of Tabernacles as a Covenant of Many. 1260 days from there, he went to Israel March 20th-23rd, 2013 and did things the Messiah did and fulfilled Matt 24:15. =1290 days = Sept events with the Antichrist. And December event prior to or during Chanukkah.

  12. Hi. Thanks for this article. I am also presently reading your new book, rapture: case closed? and agree with the pre-wrath rapture.

    Question – If the Lord’s people are not meant for wrath (1Thess5:9), how then can some of his people (i.e. all Israel who accept Jesus) go through it. How can this allow for people at the end of God’s wrath to come to salvation because doesn’t this contradict the promise of God that those who are his will not experience his wrath? Could you explain?

    Thanks.

          1. Ah thanks Dani-EL. You asked who the people of God are that He protects from his wrath in Isa. 26:20. Let me quote it in context:

            19 Your dead shall live; Together with my dead body they shall arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; And the earth shall cast out the dead.
            20 Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the indignation is past.
            21 For behold, the Lord comes out of His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; The earth will also disclose her blood,
            And will no more cover her slain.

            So in verse 19 is the resurrection. This is followed by the rapture in verse 20 and then the Wrath of God in verse 21. Exactly the order predicted by the prewrath rapture. God’s people are those who have placed faith in their Messiah (both in the NT and OT). So this would include all Christians and the 144k who come to faith when Jesus “comes out of his place”.

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