Why Does Turkey LOVE the Iran Nuclear Deal?

Turkey’s  worst enemy has been given the green light to gain nuclear bombs. Why would this deal make Turkey overjoyed?

Historically the empires that have occupied the current nations of Turkey and Iran have hated each other for 25 centuries. It is a feud that has extended throughout much of history. Currently Turkey is the most powerful Sunni Muslim nation on earth and Iran is the most power Shia Muslim nation. The addition of religious animosity to the disagreement has only intensified their desire to subdue the other.

So we must ask, how does Turkey and it’s leader Recep Erdogan feel about the deal that their NATO allies and others in the G5+1 just crafted with Iran? Turkey has been surprisingly quiet on a deal that for all intents and purposes gives Iran the ability to arm itself with nuclear weapons. Iran is their historic enemy. They should be incensed, but they aren’t. Why does Turkey love the Iran Nuclear Deal?

Those of us who are familiar with scripture know that the Prophet Daniel prophesied that Turkey would eventually conquer Iran and form an empire that in the words of the Bible is “exceedingly great.” (We will discuss this prophecy in detail later.) Turkey’s Muslim leaders are probably completely oblivious to the prophecy, but in their minds this might be their strategy as well.

How does a potentially nuclear Iran help Turkey fulfill its dream of Middle East domination?

  • If Iran acquires nuclear capacity, NATO ally Turkey will be allowed to as well “to defend it self.”  It has been repeatedly stated in the conservative press that the net effect of the Iran Nuclear Deal will be an arms race in the Middle East.
  •  We know from Daniel’s prophecy that Iran is destined to invade the Middle East in a westward, northward and southerly direction. Will a nuclear capacity give Iran the confidence to fulfill prophecy?
  • Once Iran invades and conquers Iraq, Syria and possibly even portions of the Arabian Peninsula, Turkey will have the moral justification to strike back, probably with western help, to crush this “dangerous enemy.” In the process a pan-Middle Eastern Caliphate will be established under Sunni control.

The end result will be a Turkish Caliphate, a revived Ottoman Empire under the probable rule of Erdogan.  None of the western nations would permit such a thing unless a mutual enemy like Iran was threatening world peace.

Many in the US suspect the current Administration to harbor Sunni sympathies. It is probably a mystery that this deal, brokered by the USA, gives such power to a Shia Muslim nation. Digging a bit deeper shows the true intent of the Iran Nuclear Deal: a Revised Ottoman Caliphate.

Daniel’s Prophecy

Now that we’ve looked at the political situation in the Middle East, let’s see if what the Bible says parallels this situation. In Daniel Chapter 8 we read about a strange prophecy that involves a Ram and a Goat. Traditional Bible interpretation has claimed this was fulfilled before Jesus’s day by the Persians and the Greeks. What these interpreters have missed are these key verses:

Son of man, understand that the vision pertains to the time of the end …  Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end. (Dan. 8: 17, 19)

Three times in these two verses, the Angel Gabriel let Daniel know this vision was not about historic events but will be fulfilled at the time of the end. Right before the return of Jesus. This is stunning, and of upmost importance to our day.  I wrote about this vision in ARE WE ABOUT TO SEE IRAN FULFILL DANIEL 8? here on this site. If you are new to this site and haven’t read this before PLEASE read this article to get the full picture about this prophecy.

Immediately after the angel tells Daniel that the vision applies to the future TIME OF THE END, he identifies the players in the prophecy:

The ram which you saw with the two horns represents the kings of Media and Persia.  The shaggy goat represents the kingdom of Greece, and the large horn that is between his eyes is the first king. (Dan. 8: 20-21 NASB)

This takes a little understanding. “Media and Persia” occupied the same territory as modern Iran. The angel identified the player in the prophecy by its ancient name because that’s all Daniel was familiar with. The name “Iran” meant nothing to him. But the clear verses right before this tell us the prophecy is for the time of the end, and at the end (now) Persia is Iran.

Greece seems obvious. It means Greece, right? Actually no, the word in the Hebrew is YAVAN, an ancient people who occupied the territory in eastern Greece and western Turkey. The major city of their region was Istanbul in modern Turkey. So Yavan is Turkey.

What Happens?

Daniel tells us that at first the ram (Iran) will invade west, north and south.

I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, a ram which had two horns was standing in front of the canal. Now the two horns were long, but one was longer than the other, with the longer one coming up last.  I saw the ram butting westward, northward, and southward, and no other beasts could stand before him nor was there anyone to rescue from his power, but he did as he pleased and magnified himself. (Dan. 8: 3-4 NASB)

Not only does Iran invade, but the text says no one can stop them. Why doesn’t the USA stop them? The text doesn’t say we don’t want to stop Iran, it says no one could stop them. Does the judgment of God on the USA fall before this event and give Iran the confidence to invade? We don’t know but it seems that way.

After this, YAVAN (Turkey) counter-attacks and crushes Iran.

A male goat was coming from the west over the surface of the whole earth without touching the ground; and the goat had a conspicuous horn between his eyes.  He came up to the ram that had the two horns, which I had seen standing in front of the canal, and rushed at him in his mighty wrath.  I saw him come beside the ram, and he was enraged at him; and he struck the ram and shattered his two horns, and the ram had no strength to withstand him. So he hurled him to the ground and trampled on him, and there was none to rescue the ram from his power.  Then the male goat magnified himself exceedingly.  (Dan. 8: 5-8 NASB)

This is what Turkey is most likely hoping for. They are probably unaware, but the Bible predicts it.

The Rest of the Story

What I’m positive Erdogan and Turkey are completely unware of is what happens next:

But as soon as he was mighty, the large horn was broken; and in its place there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven. (Dan. 8: 8 NASB)

Something happens and the leader of Turkey is “broken off” and the new Turkish Empire is split into 4 subsections. What that “something” is we don’t know. It is doubtful (but possible) that it is an internal struggle. More likely the world powers are fearful of this new Ottoman Empire and they “break off” the leader and split the nation into four, just as Germany was partitioned by the Allies after WWII and just like the original Ottoman Empire was divided by the Allies after WWI! It seems the allies are always dividing this area.

Finally, in the midst of this chaos, the Antichrist arises:

Out of one of them came forth a rather small horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Beautiful Land. It grew up to the host of heaven and caused some of the host and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it trampled them down. It even magnified itself to be equal with the Commander of the host; and it removed the regular sacrifice from Him, and the place of His sanctuary was thrown down. (Dan. 8: 9- 11 NASB)

This is part of the take away for Christians. This is the path that leads to the rising of the Antichrist and the beginning of the 70th Week. There has been a lot of speculation about the 70th Week starting this year in September or having already started. This is impossible Biblically because these prophecies aren’t fulfilled yet.  So this is the area to watch.

13 thoughts on “Why Does Turkey LOVE the Iran Nuclear Deal?”

  1. Very interesting discussion here! I have one question. Is the entire case for Yavan being Greek/Ionian based on the opinion of the general understanding of Flavius Josephus? Isn’t there a fair amount of evidence that his texts were altered by both Jews and Christians? There has to be more than this thin thread.

    1. No. based on multiple sources. I don’t think anyone disputes they were the Ionian people of the Islands of Greece and western Turkey. What is critical is what “land mass” did they occupy as the people themselves have intermarried and migrated and no longer exist.

  2. Well, at least God agrees with me! Rev 5:9 and Rev 13:7 prove that much.

    And there is the weakness of the Muslim Antichrist theory. It doesn’t have either the weight of scholarly opinion in support of it. Nor does God agree with its foundational assumptions.

    Daniel 9:26 Septuagint.

    26 καὶ μετὰ τὰς ἑβδομάδας τὰς ἑξηκονταδύο ἐξολοθρευθήσεται χρῖσμα, καὶ κρίμα οὐκ ἔστιν ἐν αὐτῷ· καὶ τὴν πόλιν καὶ τὸ ἅγιον διαφθερεῖ σὺν τῷ ἡγουμένῳ τῷ ἐρχομένῳ καὶ ἐκκοπήσονται ἐν κατακλυσμῷ, καὶ ἕως τέλους πολέμου συντετμημένου τάξει ἀφανισμοῖς.

    26 And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint [the city] to desolations.

    It’s fair to say that the Septuagint doesn’t say it the same way as other translations. But to claim it’s not there at all is wrong. And your belief that the early church used only the Septuagint is another unsubstantiated claim.

    1. In regard to the Septuagint being the primary text of the early church, obviously Paul and John were Jews. They knew the Hebrew texts by heart and the Greek texts. They majority of their readers however read the Greek texts. Here is what Wikipedia says about the Septuagint:

      “The Early Christian Church used the Greek texts[36] since Greek was a lingua franca of the Roman Empire at the time, and the language of the Greco-Roman Church (Aramaic was the language of Syriac Christianity, which used the Targumim). The relationship between the apostolic use of the Old Testament, for example, the Septuagint and the now lost Hebrew texts (though to some degree and in some form carried on in Masoretic tradition) is complicated. The Septuagint seems to have been a major source for the Apostles, but it is not the only one. St. Jerome offered, for example, Matt 2:15 and 2:23, John 19:37, John 7:38, 1 Cor. 2:9. as examples not found in the Septuagint, but in Hebrew texts. (Matt 2:23 is not present in current Masoretic tradition either, though according to St. Jerome it was in Isaiah 11:1.) The New Testament writers, when citing the Jewish scriptures, or when quoting Jesus doing so, freely used the Greek translation, implying that Jesus, his Apostles and their followers considered it reliable. In the Early Christian Church, the presumption that the Septuagint was translated by Jews before the era of Christ, and that the Septuagint at certain places gives itself more to a christological interpretation than 2nd-century Hebrew texts was taken as evidence that “Jews” had changed the Hebrew text in a way that made them less christological. For example, Irenaeus concerning Isaiah 7:14: The Septuagint clearly writes of a virgin (Greek παρθένος) that shall conceive. While the Hebrew text was, according to Irenaeus, at that time interpreted by Theodotion and Aquila (both proselytes of the Jewish faith) as a young woman that shall conceive.”

      Points of interest here is that the majority of the quotes in the NT are from the Septuagint, not all but the majority. Second the original Hebrew texts have been lost. This is super important, the Hebrew texts we have now are not necessarily the same as the ones Jesus and the apostles used. Third there are claims the Masoretic Hebrew was altered by the Jews of the 3rd century.

      So here’s how I use the OT. If I’m doing a word search or study on the NT I use the Septuagint because the words are both Koine Greek. This is a major advantage. I try when ever possible to read both the NASB with a Hebrew OT and the Septuagint. When I find a verse like Daniel 9:26 that differs in a significant way (the word people is not there in the Greek), I am careful to not base any sort of major theory on that verse that differs. When I said Dan. 9:26 wasn’t there, I meant the word “people” wasn’t there which is what we were speaking of.

      In terms of Rev. 5:9 and 13:7 these refer only to tribes, people, nations and languages. It says nothing about these being the same as the tribes from 5000 years ago. Certainly nations and languages have changed, genetically the tribes and peoples aren’t pure tribes and peoples any more either (except the Jews). However, this is a area of contention where I don’t think there is any Biblical proof for or against. So I am not adamant, I would hope you won’t be as well.

  3. Nelson, you say ” remember it is the land mass they ruled that is in view just like with Yavan.”

    That isn’t the way scripture deals with the tribes of men. Otherwise what’s the point of the table of nations in Genesis 10? What does “every tribe and tongue, and people mean in Rev 5:9? Or “every tribe, and tongue, and nation” in Rev 13:7?

    Dan 9:26 “and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary”.

    Whether you hold the correct view: that the people referred to there are Romans. Or you view them as a middle eastern tribe. Those people are definitely not defined by any land mass they inhabit. In fact, this is another indicator that the prince to come will be of Roman ancestry, because the people who destroyed the sanctuary, whether Roman soldiers, or middle eastern auxiliaries, had only a Roman prince over them.

    Greeks (the offspring of Yavan) and Turks (the offspring of Togarmah) come from different directions into the prophecy epicentre. And the direction the Turks come from doesn’t fit Daniel’s description of the goat, as coming from the west.

    1. First piece of interesting information is the Daniel verse you quote isn’t found in the Septuagint Greek OT used by John, Paul, Peter and the early Church. Second, that verese is controversial regardless: is it past or yet future? Does it refer to an ethnic group or just followers, etc? Daniel 9:27 is a very complex verse, especially in the Hebrew. Be careful about making too much of it.

      Second, my wife, 3 kids and I have the following ethnic backgrounds: Spanish, Mayan Indian, French, Italian, Irish, German, Welsh, English, Swedish and Lithuanian. To which of these ancient peoples do we belong? The whole world is intermarried and migrated. Current opinions of major missionary organizations on “tribe, tongue and languages” estimate 10,000 to 30,000 ETHNOS or people groups. Many more than the table of nations.

      My personal opinion of the table of nations is that at one time, there was “ethnic” purity of a sorts. That has long since blended. The table of nations establishs land mass mapping of prophetic nations. It also shows the history, geneology, and distribution of Noah’s decendants.

      Can I prove this opinion Biblically: no. Can the view you state be proved biblically: no. That leaves logic which highly favors the 10,000 to 30,000 ETHNOS view, IMO.

  4. Nelson, I understand your thinking, but I think you are misinterpreting what the angel told Daniel when he said the vision pertains to the end times. Just about every dream, vision, or prophecy in the Bible pertains in some way to the end times. To read this one as only happening in our day, is to ignore the fact that it, like many other prophecies, had a partial fulfilment in the past.

    That’s a common stamp of God’s authority. It tells believers through the ages, that this is a God given prophecy, because the test of a prophet is, does what he says come to pass?

    Alexander the Great through Antiochus IV Epiphanes proved the prophecy was from God. And gives us clear indication of the ancestry of the final Antichrist.

    Modern day Iran doesn’t fit the prophecy because there is no longer the Medo/Persian alliance indicated by the ram. If you try to apply that metaphor to any aspect of modern day Iranian governance, you lose the plot, because many countries have similar governance structures.

    1. Phil, you are correct IMO that most ancient prophecies have near/far fulfillment. This particular one, however, has 3 specific references to it being for the “time of the end.” In that way it is somewhat unique. Only a handful of prophecies specifically state they are for the end times. It certainly is similar to what happened in with Persia, Greece and Antiochus, but not exact. Antiochus didn’t cause a 1/3 of the “stars” to fall from heaven for instance. I consider these events a “foreshadow” of the ultimate fulfillment that is to come.

      In regard to Iran and the Medes and Persians, remember it is the land mass they ruled that is in view just like with Yavan. Those ancient peoples are long gone, intermarried and migrated. All those ancient peoples (except the Jews) are now mixed in the sea of humanity. So no alliance is needed, it is their land which Iran clearly controls.

      Second, remember this hasn’t been fulfilled yet and we haven’t seen the final form Iran may take prior to fulfillment. Maybe they will align with the Kurds for instance. I don’t think so, but who knows? That is why we are to watch. Did the second horn grow greater than the first yet? I don’t think so, so something is yet to happen. I expect the current Supreme Leader of Iran to die first, then after that we’ll see the fulfillment. But that is my guess.

  5. Hi Nelson.

    You won’t be surprised to hear I have a few disagreements with your views.

    Firstly your claim that Istanbul was a major Turkish city is wrong. It was a Thracian city. It experienced a brief period of Persian rule at the turn of the 5th century BC, around the time of Daniel’s visions, but the Greeks captured it during the Greco-Persian Wars.

    Thracians inhabited parts of the ancient provinces of Thrace, Moesia, Macedonia, Dacia, Scythia Minor, Sarmatia, Bithynia, Mysia, Pannonia, and other regions of the Balkans and Anatolia (only a very small part of modern day Turkey). This area extended over most of the Balkans region, and the Getae north of the Danube as far as beyond the Bug and including Panonia in the east.

    It is generally agreed that the first Turkic people lived in a region extending from Central Asia to Siberia, with the majority of them living in China historically. So that would mean your Turkish ‘male goat’ comes from the east, not the west, as predicted in Dan 8:5-8.

    Javan (Hebrew יָוָן, Standard Hebrew Yavan, Tiberian Hebrew Yāwān) was the fourth son of Noah’s son Japheth according to the “Table of Nations” (Genesis chapter 10) in the Hebrew Bible. Flavius Josephus states the traditional belief that this individual was the ancestor of the Greek people. Being an historian, he would have known the difference between Greek and Turkic people.

    Also serving as the Hebrew name for Greece or Greeks in general, יָוָן Yavan or Yāwān has long been considered cognate with the name of the eastern Greeks, the Ionians (Greek Ἴωνες Iōnes, Homeric Greek Ἰάονες Iáones; earlier *Ιαϝονες Iawones). The Greek race has been known by cognate names throughout the Eastern Mediterranean, Near East and beyond—even in Sanskrit (yavana). In Greek mythology, the eponymous forefather of the Ionians is similarly called Ion, a son of Apollo.

    1. Phil, I really appreciate your comments. This one in particular is quite literate. Let’s talk about Yavan and why it’s Turkey not Greece. Where this name appears in the text is incredibly important. In Daniel 8:17-19 (as I show in the post), the angel Gabriel makes 3 (three) assertions that the vision applies to the “time of the end” not to ancient times. Immediately after that, Gabriel explains who the ram and the goat are. As I explained in the text, it is not who occupied these territories in ancient times, it is who occupies them at the time of the end when the vision is fulfilled. “the kings of the Medes and Persians” are Iran because Iran occupies that territory now. “Yavan” is Turkey and specifically the Ottoman Turks (Istanbul was their capital) because they occupy it now, or at least will at the time the vision is fulfilled IMO (there is a move afoot by Sunni’s to reestablish a caliphate in Istanbul). Certainly the Greeks do not occupy Istanbul currently.

      These ancient peoples no longer exist given intermarriage and 2500 years of migration. It is the land mass where they settled that the Angel is describing IMO.

      BTW, my neighbor just returned from Istanbul and we had the neighborhood over for a slide show just last week. The Ottoman palaces are quite impressive.

  6. I am sure A.C. will always have his eye on controlling NATO, in order to gain a very strong control over the whole world. What better place for him to reside and grow in military power, but Turkey. The second most powerful NATO member country after US.

  7. Nelson,
    I dont think we have to worry about Iran. The IAEA report showed that Iran has no materials in place to make nuclear weapons. The reason Turkey is happy about the deal is because the economic sanctions being lifted will benefit the Turkish balance of trade with Iran. It is interesting to note that America built the reactors that are in Iran. It was through a progran known as “Atoms for Peace”. Look at America, even though we have nuclear bomb capability we did not win Vietnam, we dont deter terrorism, and we dont have more leverage at the bargaining table with non nuclear countries.
    I know you see this in context of Ezekiel 38 but I think it may be a bit premature in its fulfillment. Shouldn’t the walls be down in Israel as well.

    1. Thanks for your comments John. The context is not Ezekiel 38, but Daniel 8. Ezekiel 38’s time frame is from the middle of the 70th Week until Armageddon. The article doesn’t mention Ezekiel 38 at all. Daniel 8 is PRIOR to the 70th Week and probably the next prophecy to be fulfilled. Re-read the article, the real focus is Turkey where Satan’s Throne is found. The article shows how this deal will lead to a nuclear Middle East and probably the eventual revised Ottoman Empire which is the head of the Beast that is healed.

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