What is Daniel 7 About?

I think I’ve seen more diverse interpretations of Dan. 7 than almost any other chapter of the Bible. Nearly all of them focus on the four “wild beasts” found in the first few verses, but the beasts are not, and should not be the main focus of our understanding. What is Daniel 7  about? It is the outline of the entire end times. Let’s dig in.

DANIEL 7: PART ONE: The Heavenly Judgment

Daniel was given four “visions” (Chs., 7, 8, 9, 10-12) and interpreted two of Nebuchadnezzar’s dreams (Chs., 2, 4). These 6 prophetic visions form 3 sets of “paired” visions (2 and 7, 4 and 9, 8 and 11) with the final vision in the pair giving much more information. These three pairs of visions need to be understood in this manner; they are linked together in meaning. Below is a table showing the symbolic links between Dan. 2 and Dan. 7

Dan. 2 Dan. 7 Commonalities Meaning
Head of Gold Lion with Eagles Wings Head leads the body Dan. 2:38; Lion is King of the Beasts Dan. 7:4 Babalonian Empire
Chest and Arms of Silver Bear Bear has “ribs” in mouth Dan. 7:5; Chest has ribs Medo-Persian Empire
Belly and thighs of Bronze Leopard Bronze Kingdom rules over earth Dan. 2:39; Leopard is given dominion Dan. 7:6 Hellanistic Empire (Greece)
Legs of Iron Fourth Terrifying Beast Iron crushes Dan. 2:40; Fourth Beast crushes   Dan. 7:7 Islamic Caliphate
Ten Toes Ten Horns Ten Toes on “feet” Dan. 2:33, Toes called “kings” Dan. 2:44; Beast with Ten Horns tramples under “feet” Dan. 7:7, Horns called kings Dan. 7:24 Beast Empire
Stone and Mountain Kingdom Given to Jesus and Saints Kingdom will never be destroyed Dan. 2:44; Kingdom is everlasting Kingdom Dan. 7:24 Jesus’s Millennial Kingdom

What is Daniel 7 About

Daniel 7 is expansive and provides details from the rise of the Kingdom of Babylon until the dominion of the earth is returned to Christ and he establishes his Millennial Kingdom on earth; a span of 2500+ years.


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The text of Daniel 7 is divided into two sections: the vision itself and an angelic explanation. The vision portion is further divided into a section about the four beasts and a section about “The Heavenly Judgment” which takes us right into the throne room of the Most High. Nearly every commentary on Daniel 7 begins by looking at these exotic looking “wild beasts” and everybody reading wants to learn about them as well. They are intriguing. But I believe we should begin with the Heavenly Judgment that occurs later in the vision because it places the the four beasts in proper perspective. We will study the four beasts in Part Two in the next article.

The Books Were Opened.

Daniel’s vision of the judgment that takes place in Dan. 7 is broken up into three segments (vv. 9-10, vv. 13-14, and then an angelic explanation in vv. 26-27). Interspersed between the segments of these heavenly visions are the events that are occurring on the earth. So we first are given a view of events on the earth, then we see heaven’s reaction, we view more events on the earth, and again we see heaven’s explanation. Let’s examine the first segment of Daniel’s heavenly vision:

I beheld until the thrones were set, and the Ancient of days sat; and his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head, as pure wool: his throne was a flame of fire, and his wheels burning fire. A stream of fire rushed forth before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousands of myriads, attended upon him: the judgment sat, and the books were opened. (Dan. 7: 9-10 LXX)

We see that the focus of the first part of this vision is on a heavenly court being seated on thrones and scrolls being opened. What is this judgment and what are the books that are opened? If you attempt to figure this out only using the text of Dan. 7, you will be misled. Scripture is designed to interpret Scripture. We are to look for clues in other parts of the Bible where we see references to these thrones and other aspects of this passage.

The primary Old Testament reference to God sitting on a throne and judging is Psalm 9:

You have sat on the throne judging righteously. you have rebuked the nations. You have destroyed the wicked; You have blotted out their name forever and ever. The enemy has come to an end in perpetual ruins, And You have uprooted the cities; The very memory of them has perished  . . . He has established His throne for judgment,  And He will judge the world in righteousness; He will execute judgment for the peoples with equity . . .  And those who know Your name will put their trust in You, For You, O Lord, have not forsaken those who seek You. Sing praises to the Lord, who dwells in Zion; Declare among the peoples His deeds. For He who requires blood remembers them (Psalm 9: 4-5, 7-8. 10-12)

I recommend you review this entire Psalm. I have outlined the main aspects of the judgment: 1) a rebuking of the nations 2) destruction of the wicked, 3) destruction of cities, and 4) judgment FOR the righteous. We notice that the judgment of cities and the wicked are perpetual and forever so this is obviously the judgment that occurs at the return of Jesus. We also notice that at the judgment of the wicked they have their names “blotted out.” What are their names blotted out from? Psalm 69 tells us:

May they be blotted out of the book of life and may they not be recorded with the righteous (Psalm 69:28)

This use this use of the Book of Life is confirmed by Psalm 9:12, “he who requires blood remembers them.” It is faith in Jesus’s blood sacrifice that causes our names to not be blotted out from the “book of life.” This use of the book of life is further confirmed in another judgment found in Revelation:

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it . . .the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds . . .And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20: 11,12, 15)

Now this judgment (The Great White Throne Judgment)  in Revelation 20:11-15 occurs after the Thousand year Millennial Kingdom reign of Christ. It is not the same judgment as seen in Dan. 7 which occurs prior to Christ’s return. However, it is the same type of judgment. God’s judgment and justice is “immutable” and unchanging.  The way he will judge at the return of Christ is the same way he will judge a 1000 years from now.

If we study the Judgment in Rev. 20: 11-15, God first sits on his throne and then uses two sets of “books.” The first are the books which have our deeds written in them. The second is the “book of life” which has our names written in it if we are saved. All humans are first judged by their deeds. None are found righteous by deeds alone, so only those made righteous by the blood of Jesus (Psalm 9:12) are saved from the lake of fire. This is God’s unchanging system of justice. When the books of our deeds are opened, the Book of Life is opened as well. They are used together.

God’s immutable system of justice used in Rev. 20: 11-15 must be the same system as the one used in Dan. 7:9-10; and not surprisingly the Revelation passage directly quotes Dan. 7:10 that the “books were opened.” This confirms that the same sort of judgment is taking place in Rev. 20: 11-15.  When we read that “the books were opened” in Dan. 7:10, it refers to both the “books” which contain our deeds and the “Book of Life” even though it is not specifically mentioned. This is entirely consistent with Psalm 9 as well.

What is the Timing of the Judgment?

Now that we know what the “books” are that were opened, we need to figure out how many thrones there are, who sits on them, and when this judgment takes place. If we return to Rev. 20, an earlier judgment is also pictured:

Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. (Rev. 20: 4-5)

IMO, this is the same judgment as Dan. 7:9-10. We see thrones and judgment, but this time we are told what we are witnessing is the First Resurrection. We are also told those who come to life as a result of this judgment haven’t taken the Mark of the Beast. The other judgment we just looked at above in Rev. 20: 11-15 occurs after the Millennial Kingdom (The Great White Throne Judgment) and is the one that happens at the Second Resurrection (after the thousand years.) Thus both judgments occur at a Resurrection! If you want to learn more about Resurrections see HOW MANY RESURRECTIONS ARE THERE? on this site.

It makes perfect sense then that the “books” (man’s deeds and the Book of Life) would be opened prior to each Resurrection. How else would the dead in Christ be judged righteous?

We know from this previous article THE DAY OF THE LORD; WHAT IT IS, WHEN IS IT? that the Resurrection occurs on the Day of the Lord at the end of the 6th year of the 70th Week of Daniel. This is entirely consistent with Dan. 7. Immediately after the judgment that takes place in verses 9-10, we read this:

Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. (Dan. 7: 11)

This passage shows that after the judgment and Resurrection (and Rapture), the Beast is still active. This is consistent with a Resurrection at the end of the sixth year of the 70th Week; the Beast is not destroyed until a year later when Christ physically returns to the earth.

Who Sits on the Thrones?

The judgment of Dan. 7:9-10 is pictured one more place in Revelation.  John the Revelator wanted us to be sure that we identified the two scenes as one and the same. In order to do that he used a direct quote and a number of other nearly identical passages from Dan. 7 when he wrote Rev. chapters 4 and 5 (the opening of the 7 Sealed Scroll.)

A throne was standing in heaven, and One sitting on the throne.  And He who was sitting was like a jasper stone and a sardius in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, like an emerald in appearance. Around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and golden crowns on their heads. (Rev. 4: 2- 4)

From this we learn that there are 24 thrones in addition to God’s Throne and 24 elders sit upon them. If you have any doubt Rev. 4-5 is the same vision as Dan. 7, this table will help you see the similiarities of the visions:

Item Dan. 7 Rev. 4 -5
God’s Throne The Ancient of Days took His seat, v. 9 One sitting on the throne, v. 4:2
Elder’s Thrones Thrones were set up, v. 9 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, v. 4:4
Appearance of God’s Throne A river of fire was flowing and coming out from before Him, v. 10 Out from the throne come flashes of lightning. v. 4:5
God’s Attendants Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him. v. 10 The number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, v. 5:11
The Court The court sat, v. 10 I saw twenty-four elders sitting, v. 4:4
The Books And the books were opened, v. 10 Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, v. 6:1

I don’t know another two passages of scripture that contain more similarities in two short verses (Dan. 7: 9-10) than the six similarities found here. In the Greek, the phrase “thousands of thousands and myriads of myriads” ( MYRIADES MYRIADON KAI CHILADES CHILADON) found in Rev. 5: 11 is an exact quote from Greek version of Dan. 7:10. This direct quote and the six similarities make the two sections of scripture (Dan. 7:9-10 and Rev. 4-6) an exact fingerprint match! The odds that these two passages are not describing the same event is a hundred trillion to one. These similarites and the exact quote above are not an accident. God inspired Daniel and John to write the passages in this way so we the readers would have zero doubt that they were one and the same event.

So from this analysis, what is the Seven Sealed Scroll pictured being opened in Rev. 4-6? We learned in IS THE BOOK OF DANIEL SEALED IN DAN. 12? that the scroll contains the Book of Life! Hopefully you are seeing how all these previous posts and all these chapters of the Bible fit together.

Implications

The implications of all this analysis are quite profound.

First, if Dan. 7: 9-10 and the opening the Seven Sealed Scroll in Rev. 4-6 are truly one and the same events, we can know with absolute certainty that the Antichrist arises prior to the opening of the scroll and prior to the Seals.

While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts. I kept looking until thrones were set up and the Ancient of Days took His seat. (Dan. 7;8-9)

Nearly all commentators believe the “little horn” is the Antichrist and we see that he is active prior to the thrones being set up and before the first seal is opened. This is very conclusive proof that none of the seals have yet been opened. It seems every day on the internet, a teacher is suggesting that some of the seals and even some of the trumpets have already happened. This is NOT accurate. The Antichrist must be active and 3 horns uprooted prior to the beginning of the opening of the Seven Sealed Scroll.

Second, if the judgment in Dan. 7: 9-10 is the First Resurrection this has to happen when the “books were opened” (the Seven Sealed Scroll opened as well) there is no Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Rather the Resurrection and Rapture occur at the Seventh Seal just as this website teaches.

Third, Psalm 9 tells us that the nations will be rebuked and the cities destroyed at this judgment. Does Dan. 7 give us further information about the rebuking of nations? It does. Only a few verses later, the result of the judgment of the court is made known:

I beheld in the night vision, and, lo, one coming with the clouds of heaven as the Son of Man, and he came on to the Ancient of days, and was brought near to him. And to him was given the dominion, and the honor, and the kingdom; and all nations, tribes, and languages, shall serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom shall not be destroyed. (Dan. 7:13-14 LXX, emphasis mine)

It is very clear that a transfer of power has occurred and the kingdom has passed to “the Son of Man” (Jesus).  The passage also indicates that this is the last time that power will transfer. Jesus’s dominion will be everlasting. Daniel was confused and asked the angel giving him the vision for an explanation. The angel then replied later in the chapter:

And the judgment has sat, and they shall remove his (Satan and the Antichrist’s) dominion to abolish it, and to destroy it utterly. And the kingdom and the power and the greatness of the kings that are under the whole heaven were given to the saints of the Most High; and his (Jesus’s) kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all powers shall serve and obey him. (Dan. 7:26-27 NASB, clarification and emphasis mine)

The angel’s explanation makes it clear to Daniel that one focus of the heavenly judgment is on transferring the dominion from Satan and the Antichrist to Jesus and the saints. The opening of the scrolls pictured in Dan 7:10 seem to be the impetus of this transfer of power. This is completely consistent with what happens at the Seventh Trumpet:

Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God. (Rev. 11: 15-16)

Notice we still see the same 24 elders on their thrones. Now they are repeating the claim of Dan. 7 and Psalm 9 that the Kingdoms and nations of this world have become Christ’s.

This is of extreme importance. Daniel 7 is primarily about a judgment that occurs during the 70th Week of Daniel. This judgment accomplishes the 4 aspects detailed in Psalm 9:

  • rebuking of the nations (transfer of the Kingdom to Christ)
  • destruction of the wicked and a blotting out of their names from the Book of Life
  • uprooting of the cities of the world (physical destruction of man’s kingdoms during the Wrath of God)
  • a judgment for those that know God’s name and put their trust in him.  (Resurrection and Rapture of the saints)

These four purposes are all contained in the Seven Sealed Scroll opened by Christ in Rev. 4-11, a passage that we have shown is the identical event as Dan. 7: 9-10.

In Part Two of this series, we will examine those four wild beasts that everyone is interested in, and show how they are related to this judgment.

 

 

56 thoughts on “What is Daniel 7 About?”

  1. Bonjour Nelson,

    Thank you for this post and for your replies to the comments. There are some challenging issues raised. I’m a bit like Ken, I’ve yet to fully agree on your theory about the rapture taking place a year and 10 days before the last trumpet of Rev 11 (which is a re-telling of Daniel 12. The parallel here is unmistakable).

    Just a few comments:

    YOU WRITE: “All other years begin on Tom Teruah. All other years are a year long, but the year before the Jubilee year is ONE YEAR, TEN DAYS long and ends on Yom Kippur. (sound familiar?) ».

    => Actually, the Biblical year starts at Nisan/Abib in April/March of our calendar. Correct me if I’m wrong, but nowhere in the Bible does the Feast of Trumpet start a new year. “Rosh Hashana” and the new year starting on the 7th month comes directly from Babylon/paganism.

    YOU WRITE: “Jesus telegraphs to us that he is coming on Yom Teruah for the Rapture calling it the “day and hour no man knows” that is a Jewish idiom for Yom Teruah which is determined by the new moon which can be either of two days and any hour of the night”

    => Once again here, your argument lies on a Jewish (man-made) tradition. As a matter of fact, people knew exactly when new months started. They knew it by calculation + needed a second witness by looking at the moon (the crescent indicating that the new month had indeed started the sunset following the conjunction).

    Just a few thoughts!

    Blessings from France,

    FX

    1. The Jewish calendar has two years within it. The religious starts on Nisan 1 and the secular on Tishri 1. Jubilee years start on Tishri 10. Lev. 23:23 sets the time of Yom Teruah. Lev. 25:9 sets the time for the Jubilee year.

      The idiom “Day and hour no man knows” is like an American saying “Turkey Day” and meaning “Thanksgiving.” After the Celestial Earthly Disturbance event the sun and moon will be darkened. Will this be the start of the dark clouds that will continue on the Day of the Lord? Probably. This will make the sighting of the new moon impossible IMO. Truly then a day and hour no man knows.

      Hope that helps

  2. Nelson….
    You are stimulating the quest for truth. I have the problem of two returns of Jesus. In my mind he resurrects the dead in Christ first and those alive immediately next, and meet him in the air. But he does not disappear and show up in the final act.
    After searching Rev. and bible verses pertaining to the throne of God in heaven, when he is seen coming in the clouds in Rev. (as he said when he was human on several occasions) he doesn’t touch earth, after resurrecting the dead and then translating the living (seal 6), nor does he disappear. The throne of god with Jesus (and later given a sickle) surrounded by the angels is seen by all those on earth throughout the trumpets and the bowls. When the last bowl is poured out he descends to earth on horseback with his army of angels and splits Jerusalem with a quake north and south. Destroys antichrist with the brightness of his coming and the armies and all beings with the breath of his mouth.
    In this understanding, it makes sense that the sky is rolled up as a scroll to reveal the throne of God and the powers of heaven. Now all those on earth will witness the wrath of God as it transpires. This gives them an opportunity (those that have not take the mark of the beast) to call on the Lord and be saved. He said anyone who calls on the Lord will be saved. Particularly the Jews who now recognize him as the Messiah. Also, by throwing the angels out of heaven and satan as well (because prior to this he is still allowed in the outer perimeters of heaven) they are now confined to earth and stripped of their powers disallowing them to ascend to heaven, as it is being viewed from earth.
    God is still merciful by doing this. All can see the truth before them. So his judgement is right and just in applying his vengeance to those who chose to follow Satan.
    How long the wrath of God lasts, whether a day, a year and 10 days, or 40 days, 70 days as others are debating doesn’t really matter to the elect. The point is He comes in clouds with his angels as he said about his second coming. He remains in view for the duration of the wrath. Then descends with his angelic army to desolate the earth in response to the abomination of Satan set-up in the holy place. This is my understanding.

    1. Ken, we are closer in understanding in this comment that any previous. Here are a couple more things to stimulate your thinking. Jesus returns once not twice, it is a single PAROUSIA, you and I agree on this. Second He returns with his Holy Angels and Fire at the Day of the Lord. These angels gather the elect (living and dead) and angels dispense his Wrath (blow the trumpets). However, I believe the Holy Army that accompanies Christ when he descends to the mount of Olives are the Raptured Saints. Consider these parallel verses from Rev. 19:

      Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready. It was given to her to clothe herself in FINE LINEN, BRIGHT AND CLEAN; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the [c]saints. (Rev. 19: 7-8)

      And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in FINE LINEN, WHITE AND CLEAN, were following Him on white horses. (Rev. 19:14)

      Can this parallel only 6 verses apart refer to any but the same people??? The concept that they are angels come from the mistaken view that the saints are not yet in heaven, but Rev. 19 clearly teaches they are.

  3. nelson, i finally understand word – no one will able to buy or sell unless he has mark of the beast.

    we know that mark of the beast is name, is man and is 666 and it is allah. in caliphate era they using coins and these coins inscripted with arabic letter ‘allah’. you can google it and terrorist isis also issuing similar type of coins with ‘ allah’ inscription.

  4. Nelson,

    Not to get off track, but I recently read the book of Job and found a couple of fascinating verses about hail in chapter 38. I was absolutely amazed when I read them. I don’t know if you have ever seen this before:

    22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, 23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war? Job 3:22-23, KJV)

    So as far back as Job we find a reference to the “time of trouble” and the Day of the Lord. Would you agree? God’s Word is truly awesome.

      1. Job does mention his resurrection, his Redeemer, and also seems to allude to the end time judgment and the “punishment of the sword) of God in the passages below. I find it interest that he says his Redeemer will stand upon the earth “after my skin has been thus destroy, yet in my flesh I shall see God”:

        “13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.” Job 14:

        “Oh that my words were written!
        Oh that they were inscribed in a book!
        24 Oh that with an iron pen and lead
        they were engraved in the rock forever!
        25 For I know that my Redeemer lives,
        and at the last he will stand upon the earth.[b]
        26 And after my skin has been thus destroyed,
        yet in[c] my flesh I shall see God,
        27 whom I shall see for myself,
        and my eyes shall behold, and not another.
        My heart faints within me!
        28 If you say, ‘How we will pursue him!’
        and, ‘The root of the matter is found in him,’
        29 be afraid of the sword,
        for wrath brings the punishment of the sword,
        that you may know there is a judgment.” Job 19:23-29

  5. Again, I hate to sound like a Nelson echo chamber here. But there will be some who come to a saving faith after the First Resurrection/Rapture has occurred. They are the precious few who now realize what has happened and had not taken the Mark of the Beast turning to Christ in repentance. However, they must someone endure the Day of the LORD. How horrific for them! Otherwise, why would there be a sheep/goat judgment by Christ at the start of his millennial reign which is one of his first acts as rightful King? As all of us must think deeper as a clearer meaning will emerge; as for now, what Nelson stipulates, appears to be the most likely scenario and most importantly, consistent with the theme of prophetic scripture.

    Blessings!

  6. All Glory to God

    Nelson,

    Thanks for the debate which I always enjoy. I think you may have missed point I was attempting to convey through the article. My point is the “acceptable year of the Lord” takes place after the 70th week as it is a Jubilee year. The Jubilee year is after 7×7 years. Let us recall the purpose of the 70 weeks.

    Consider Daniel 9 v 24

    “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, TO FINISH the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and TO MAKE RECONCILIATION FOR INIQUITY, and to bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy” (KJV)

    Remember our Lord is King and PRIEST by the order of Melchizedek forever. After the day of Lord is over in the 70th week (and the conclusion of the 70 weeks program), the Lord will lead the day of atonement (the cleansing and salvation of the remnant of Israel) as He is also the sacrifice (Check out Leviticus 25). After this, will begin the acceptable year of the Lord (for the whole earth) which in turn precedes the one thousand year reign.

    Consider Daniel 7 v 12
    ” As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for A SEASON AND TIME”.(KJV)

    I believe the rapture takes place before the opening of the 7th Seal. I believe it happens after the opening of the 6th Seal as the scriptures appear to suggest (Rev. 7). In Noah’s time, the Flood started 7 days after Noah had entered the Ark. This is different from Lot which is why one needs to be careful in drawing direct parallels with the 70th week.

    I looked at your comment about the ten unwise virgins being “lukewarm Christians”. I disagree with this, I believe these are the elect who have not believed on Lord Jesus as at the time of the rapture, therefore they have not received the extra oil (the Holy Spirit) and are left behind. There are no degrees of Salvation as Salvation is not of works but a free gift of God for those (and only those) who believe on Lord Jesus Christ.

    God Bless

    1. Curtis I agree with 90% of what you wrote. I am thankful you mentioned the foolish virgins. I am usually careful to refer to them as lukewarm churchgoers. They may refer to themselves as Christians but aren’t saved obviously.

      In terms of the seven sealed scroll, if it truly contains the Book of Life as we propose (Dan 12:1-4) then the Rapture happens at the seventh seal when the scroll is opened to reveal the names written in it.

      1. Nelson,

        Let us examine the verse which you speak of

        Daniel 12 v 1

        “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time THY people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book”.(KJV)

        Note that the Angel speaks of Daniel’s “people” in other words the Jewish remnant.

        We know from Daniel 9v24 that the remnant are not “delivered” until after the 70 weeks have been completed

        Consider Daniel 9 v 24

        “Seventy weeks are determined upon THY PEOPLE and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression…”. (KJV)

        From this, we can say with confidence that Daniel 12v1 is not a reference to the opening of 7th Seal or the rapture…these have all occurred by this time. I believe the verse refers to the Sheep/Goat Judgment (Matthew 25v32). The book of life will definitely be opened for this Judgment. This is what the parable of the foolish virgins is about…the sheep in this judgment ARE the foolish virgins because they didn’t have to go through the pain of the Wrath if they had believed on Lord Jesus Christ before the rapture.

        I believe the Bible tells us exactly when the 7th seal is opened in two verses

        Consider Habakkuk 3 v 2
        ““O Lord, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O Lord, revive thy work IN THE MIDST OF THE YEARS, in the midst of the years make known; IN WRATH remember mercy”.(KJV)

        Consider Daniel 12 v 6-7
        “And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of THESE WONDERS?

        And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a TIME, TIMES, AND AN HALF; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished”. (KJV)

        They do not tell us how long the Wrath of God shall last (Note that “these wonders” also include the arrival of the Lord and His saints) but they do tell us when it starts.

        I believe the book of Daniel also contains important clues about the rapture but you have to look very closely to see it. I will discuss this at another time.

        God Bless

        1. Thanks for engaging on this Curtis. In Jer. 31:31 God says, “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” Every Christian believes this new covenant in Jesus’s blood applies to us because we are grafted into Israel. (Rom. 11). In the same way the New Covenant applies to us, so does the 70th Week.

          Additionally Dan. 12:1-4 speaks of the resurrection specifically and not just the deliverance of the remnant. The resurrection will include OT saints as well as Christians because we know from later in the chapter that Daniel will be resurrected and stand with his lot at the SUNTELEIA (the completion of many parts [7 sealed scroll] and the payment of the debt). We know from 1 Thess. 4:16 that the resurrection comes while Christ is still in the air and cannot be the Goat and Sheep judgment.

          The years in Hab. 3:2 do not have a specific meaning in regard to the 70th Week IMO, but to the overall years of Jewish exile, etc.

          time, times and half a time don’t mention wrath at all. The time period is referred to as “these wonders” and “the scattering of the power of the holy people.” No where is wrath mentioned.

          The resurrection and rapture happen together so when you see the resurrection in Dan. 12:1-2 you also see the rapture right after it. That is exactly what is observed. The Word refers to our resurrection bodies in verse 3: “Those who have insight will SHINE brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever”. This is not a metaphorical shining but an actual shining.

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            Nelson,

            Thank you for engaging with me…I do greatly appreciate it. I think you are missing the sequencing of events in Daniel 12. The events in Daniel 12 v 1 are separate from the event in Daniel 12 v 2. Allow me to explain.

            Daniel 12 v 1
            “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a TIME OF TROUBLE, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: AND AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, every one that shall be found written in the book”. (KJV)

            I have highlighted a sequence of events for you. The first is the time of Jacob’s trouble (the great tribulation). The second is the deliverance which occurs after this time of trouble (Dan 9 v 24) is concluded in other words the end of the 70th week.

            Compare Jeremiah 30 v 7
            “Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it”. (KJV)

            Again note the sequence is the same as Daniel 12 v 1

            Daniel 12 v 2
            “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, AND SOME TO SHAME AND EVERLASTING CONTEMPT”. (KJV)

            Note that the saints are not the only ones resurrected here but the condemned as well. This cannot be rapture or the resurrection of beheaded saints at the end of the 70th week my friend. This, I believe, is the resurrection that takes place before the White Throne Judgment.

            I think if you read the rest of Habakkuk 3 you find that there is no doubt that verse 2 is about the 70th week, the “midst of the years” have no correlation with the 70 years exile as that is not divided into two parts, only the 70th week is. I will put down only the first 4 verses, interested readers can check out the rest. I highly recommend it.

            Habakkuk 3 v 2
            “A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet upon Shigionoth.

            O Lord, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O Lord, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy.

            God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.

            And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power”.(KJV)

            Again you see the sequencing of events. Verse 2 deals with the Wrath of God followed by Verses 3-12 which deal with the Lord’s path of vengeance when He arrives.

            Consider Daniel 12 v 7
            “…and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a TIME, TIMES, AND AN HALF; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished”.(KJV)

            I believe the “he” to be a reference to the anti-Christ. How do I know this?

            Compare with Daniel 7 v 25
            “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand UNTIL A TIME AND TIMES AND DIVIDING OF A TIME”.

            Link with Daniel 11 v 36
            “And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god,….and SHALL PROSPER UNTIL INDIGNATION BE ACCOMPLISHED: for that that is determined shall be done”.(KJV)

            Indignation, as you know, refers to the Wrath of God. You see there is a direct link between AC’s rise to global power and God’s wrath.

            God bless

          2. Curtis, Before reading this reply, please check out my article “How Many Resurrections are There?” for my understanding of the three separate resurrections. The only time the unrighteous and the righteous are resurrected together is during the “GLEANINGS” resurrection, the final Resurrection, which occurs at the end of the Millennial Kingdom. So when Daniel mentions the righteous and unrighteous both being resurrected he is looking at this event over a very long period of time. The righteous from among his people will be resurrected in the First Resurrection (Rev. 20:4). The unrighteous during the Gleanings Resurrection (Rev. 20:5, 11-15). We know Daniel will be in the first Resurrection later in Dan. 12:13. The Greek word used here for “end” is SUNTELEIA which means the “completion of many parts” and “consummation of a debt.” When the disciples asked Jesus for the sign of his return they used this exact word SUNTELEIA. We know the SUNTELEIA’s many parts are the seven seals on the scroll in Rev. 4-8. The signs Jesus gives in the Olivet Discourse are the events that accompany these seven seals!

            In fact Curtis you don’t have to look any further to understand the timing of the Rapture. The Olivet Discourse tells us plainly when it is. Jesus only gives the seven seals as the signs that precede his coming. He does not give us the Trumpets as signs of his coming. Either Jesus has misled his disciples and us as to the signs before his coming or he returns on the seventh seal (NOT 7th Trumpet) just as this site teaches. The events of Matt. 24:29-31 then are happening at the seventh seal which begins his PAROUSIA

  7. my brother nelson, it is hard to interpret first 4 trumpets but rev 9 and 11 imply that trees, grass or plant represent god’s people. first four trumpet fulfilled before 8th century. rev 9 didn’t mention locust tormented those with the mark of the beast because they are the beast. beast from abyss rev 17:8 is islam, locust out from abyss so must be islam both connected.

    first trumpet, stated that 1/3 trees,grass (god’s people) and 1/3 earth burned up. maybe this is persecution of christians during roman era 2nd and 3th century

    second trumpet, mentioned about huge a mountain and since mountain could interpret as a kingdom this is maybe era of constantine who become first rome christian king, background with civil war conflict between constantine vs maxentinus+licinius vs maximinus daia

    third trumpet, maybe about attila the hun

    fourth trumpet, about the fall of western rome empire

    but of course many interpretations out there, i prefer mixed historical based combined with futurist for unfulfilled prophecies. as i told before the book already exist 1900 years even islam already 1400 years i think it is logical if some of prophecies already happened. i can see you are futurist type, both us share same general interpretation only different in details.

    1. donal, when a symbol can be interpred literally it should be unless you find a scriptural basis to apply a symbol. Now it so happens that the First Trumpet (fire, hail, and brimstone) is found in Ezek. 38:22 “I will rain on him (Gog) and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, a torrential rain, with hailstones, fire and brimstone.” This reference is also found in Psalm 18:13-15 , “Hailstones and coals of fire. He sent out His arrows, and scattered them, and lightning flashes in abundance, and routed them. then the channels of water appeared” Both of these references occur on the day of tHe Lord, not in history.

      1. Nelson,
        I can speak for all of us curious students of your theory, we thank you for your patience. I read your responses to posts by others, like myself, and chuckle on how many times you repeat the same message. But that is the most attractive part of your understanding of scripture, that the message is consistent. My problem is that I am wary of anticipating the rapture one year and 10 days prior to the end of the 1290 days, as expressed by Gabriel to Daniel. I, like many others, don’t want to be the people saying “He tarries his coming” if you are wrong.
        Your perception of the tribulation spoken of byJesus is 2.5 years (900 days) instead of 1290. What about the Two Witnesses? They are sent to preach the Gospel to the world for 1260 days? And according to your interpretation, the saints in heaven clad with white robes who were beheaded and came out of the tribulation, occurred during the 900 day period. So therefore, there are no believers on earth during the year and 10 days of God’s wrath–only those who took the mark of the beast, or are against Jesus but didn’t take the mark, or the 144,000 remnant of the 12 hebrew tribes? Is this accurate? I’m sorry if this is in your book and I am still unclear.

        1. Ken, Jesus never said the last half of the 70th Week would be the Great Tribulation, he only said there would be Great Tribulation. He never gave a duration. Second, the wise virgins of Matt. 25 are raptured. Those left on the earth after the Rapture include the unwise virgins (luke warm Christians), Jews (both the remnant and “apostate” Jews), gentile unbelievers who have not taken the Mark, and gentile unbelievers who have taken the Mark. This is in my new book Revelation Deciphered which is being edited and critiqued at this time. It is months away from publication.

          1. No matter how you slice it…you have two returns of Christ. Other pre wrath proponents even have more. My understanding from reading and study is the seventh trumpet is the last trumpet which the resurrection will occur coinciding with the once and only second return of Jesus. The seven bowls will follow as he is descending to the Mt. of Olives where he Ascended from. Jerusalem suffers an earthquake which separates the city north to south and he destroys antichrist and false profit with the brightness of his coming and they are sent alive into the lake of fire. He then wipes out the armies of antichrist with is word. Whatever time frame it takes for the seven bowls, that is the amount of time between his return and the Armageddon. Jesus says he will raise us up on the last day. Martha verifies that Lazarus will be raised up on the last day. Jesus returns and resurrects the dead in Christ and those that are alive on the last day. Meeting him in the air as he descends to the Mount of Olives in all his splendor and glory and no one can prevent it or stop it. This is majestic.
            All things were created by the Father through Christ from the beginning in 6 days. One of these creations was Lucifer who becomes Satan. God created Lucifer within hours, Adam within hours or even seconds. Do you think that Almighty God will not destroy Satans’ adversaries and followers in seconds ? God has hidden his face from his people because he is ashamed and displeased with them. The prophets say when he reveals himself to them it will be at a given time and day.
            The majesty of God and consummation of history is not to pieced together in human understanding. He will raise us up on the last day at the last trumpet.

          2. Kensme, Thanks for continuing this discussion. You bring up three main points:

            1) The 7th Trumpet is absolutely not the “last trumpet.” An angel blows the seventh trumpet, but God blows the last trump. In Zech. 9:14 we see “God blows the trumpet” and in 1 Thess. 4:16 the Rapture Trumpet is called the Trumpet of God. Paul was the first to call it the “last trumpet” in 1 Cor. 15. What is the last trump if it isn’t the 7th Trumpet? It is a Jewish Idiom for the final long blast on the shofar on Yom Teruah. When Paul wrote this Revelation had not yet been written but all believers with a knowledge of the Feasts would have known immediately what the “last trumpet” was. In this way, Paul was signaling that Jesus returns on Yom Teruah. It would be the same as an American saying “Something” happens when we carve the Turkey implying that something happens on Thanksgiving. If you aren’t familiar with USA idioms of our holidays, you’d miss the meaning and reference to the holiday.

            2) Jesus has one PAROUSIA or arrival or presence. It lasts from the Day of the Lord (resurrection/rapture and Wrath) at the end of the sixth year throughout the Wrath as Jesus supernaturally pours it out on the unrepentant until Jesus and the Church ride white horses and return to the earth. Notice in Rev. 19 the Wedding Supper of the Lamb takes place in Heaven prior to Jesus riding the white horse.

            3) The four fold “last day” statements in John 6 do describe a last day, but a last day of what? Obviously even after the return of Jesus to the Mount of Olives there is a 1000 year Mellennial Kingdom the next day. I think we can both agree it is the last day before Jesus’s PAROUSIA when he rewards the righteous and punishes the unrepentant. We just disagree when this PAROUSIA begins. Last day is such an ambigous statement, that I advise not being dogmatic about what it means and trying to time the return of Jesus by this one statement alone.

  8. 5th and 6th trumpet both about islam. 5th trumpet is early 150 years (5 months a day equal a year) islamic expansion start from 632-siege of jerusalem until 782 when christian byzantium sign peace treaty with caliphate.

    6th trumpet is about end of islam. they will start last war/global jihad to take over the world with 200 millions jihadist including lone wolf terrorist but they will fail.

    1. If that is true donal, where was the first trumpet when fire and brimstone fell on earth and destroyed 1/3 of the grass and trees? This would also mean that the locusts tormented those with the Mark of the Beast. Sorry, don’t agree.

  9. All Glory to God

    Nelson,

    You bring up a lot of issues here which are difficult to address in a single comment. However, as always, I present my own perspective for comparison as “iron sharpens iron”.

    Let us examine the angel’s own interpretation and timeline. Daniel 7 v 23-27

    “Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

    And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

    And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand UNTIL A TIME AND TIMES AND THE DIVIDING OF TIME.

    But the JUDGEMENT SHALL SIT, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

    And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him”.(KJV)

    You see the judgment you speak of happens AFTER the 42 months (not before) given to AC to rule the world (Rev 13v5). We know he gets this power from the TEN kings so it must be that he subdues the 3 kings after he has gotten power. So this cannot be the 6th year as we know it is the Lord Himself that brings AC down at the end of his 42 month term.

    Consider Habakkuk 3 v 2

    “O Lord, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O Lord, REVIVE THY WORK IN THE MIDST OF THE YEARS, in the midst of the years MAKE KNOWN; in WRATH remember mercy”. (KJV)

    Reading the rest of Habakkuk 3 there is no doubt that this is a reference to the 70th week. The Wrath of God begins in the middle of the week not the 6th year. This (the Wrath of God) coincides with the beast coming power. This is further cemented by Daniel 11 v 36 (very important verse IMO)

    “And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and SHALL PROSPER till the INDIGNATION (wrath) be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done”. (KJV).

    Furthermore, if you examine the trumpet plagues you will notice that the locusts last for 5 months. Revelations 9 v 5

    “And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented FIVE MONTHS: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man”. (KJV)

    The four angel woe lasts for approximately 13 months. Rev 9v15

    “And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an HOUR, and A DAY, and A MONTH, and A YEAR, for to slay the third part of men. (KJV)

    These two plagues alone take up 18 months. This is more than one year and that’s not counting the other 12 plagues or any interludes between plagues.

    God Bless

    1. Wow Curtis this is a massively long comment. I will try to answer your most salient points. First the court sits after at the beginning of the 70th week and the seals begin to open. At the end of Year Six the 7 sealed scroll is opened and the saints are resurrected and raptured. Then the trumpets (also contained within the scroll are blown). At the 7th trumpet the kingdom transfers. This is not a one minute event like you picture but a 7 year event. Notice the “books are opened” prior to the Judgment; these books include the seven sealed scroll as the article displays.

      As far as the Wrath of God being one year, you and I have discussed this multiple times. I refer you again to the article on the Day of the Lord that has the three passages in Isaiah that clearly show it is ONE year. Nothing could be more plain. I also refer you to several months of conversations we had on this topic last year.

      The fifth and sixth trumpet can be concurrent and do not have to be additive.

      1. All Glory to God

        Nelson,

        Consider Revelations 9 v 10-12

        “And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men FIVE MONTHS.

        And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

        ONE WOE IS PAST; and, behold, THERE COME TWO WOES MORE HEREAFTER”.(KJV)

        You see, my brother, the 5th and 6th trumpets do not run concurrently. Therefore the Wrath of God cannot be for one year since just 2 plagues alone (out of 14) accounts for just over 18 months.

        I always maintain (as do you) that the scriptures cannot contradict itself. If it appears to do so it is because either the interpretation is completely wrong or there is a missing piece.

        Consider Isaiah 61 v 2
        “To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, AND the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn” (KJV)

        I believe “the acceptable year of the Lord” follows the day of the Lord. In other words it is the year after -not during- the 70th week.

        Consider Habakkuk 3 v 2
        “O Lord, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O Lord, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath REMEMBER MERCY”.(KJV)

        This is the year of mercy after the vengeance has meted out in the 70th week.

        Isaiah 61v4
        ” And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations”.(KJV)

        This is the year where the destruction of the 70th week (and prior) is repaired and the whole land spiritually cleansed.

        Consider also Daniel 7 v 12
        “As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season AND TIME”.(KJV)

        A time is translated as a biblical year. This year mentioned in the verse is the acceptable year of the Lord. It comes after the 70th week. Here is your missing piece.

        God Bless

        1. Curtis, Even if Trumpet 5 and 6 are not concurrent (and the verse above doesn’t prove they aren’t) there is no time assigned to the 6th Trumpet. It could be a week or a month. Only the fifth Trumpet has an assigned length (5 months) Consider the following:

          Noah’s Flood (the OT Wrath of God and picture of the wrath to come in Matt. 24) lasted exactly one year, ten days.
          Isa. 34:8 “For the Lord has a day of vengeance, A year of recompense (Heb: SHILLUM, meaning retribution) for the cause of Zion”
          Isa. 63:4 “For the day of vengeance was in My heart, And My year of redemption has come”

          Noah’s flood is the KEY piece Curtis. The exact length of time between Yom Teruah of Year Six (day of the Rapture) of the 70th Week and Yom Kippur of Year Seven (Day of Second Coming) is one year, ten days. Exactly. This is no coincidence. When Jesus said in Luke 17:26, “And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man” JUST AS IT HAPPENED, in other words the days of the Noah will EXACTLY equal the Days of the coming of the Son of Man! THis is an amazing piece of prophecy I advise everyone to consider very closely.

          Dan. 7:14 will be discussed in my next article.

          1. All Glory to God

            Nelson,

            I think Revelations 9v15 is pretty clear about the 6th trumpet being 13 months but to each their own I guess.

            I believe the Lord spoke of the Flood as a shadow of the Wrath of God. For instance in the Flood every living thing was killed. Clearly there will be survivors of the Wrath of God on account of the elect. I believe the Lord was pointing to the consequences for those who do not believe the word of God. The Lord also uses the days of Lot to further emphasize His point. Note that the speaks of “DAYS” for Lot and Noah but “THE DAY” in His case. Since the days of the Lot event are not the same as the days of the Noah event, I think it would be a mistake to link the length of time of the Flood with that of the Wrath of God IMO

            Consider Luke 17 v 26-30
            “And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

            They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

            LIKEWISE ALSO AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF LOT; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

            But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

            Even thus shall it be IN THE DAY when the Son of Man is revealed”

            Check out the link below

            http://www.bobyandian.com/the-year-of-jubilee/

            God Bless

          2. These are good observations Curtis. Notice the parallels

            Luke 17:26 “as in the DAYS of Noah so shall it be in the DAYS of the son of man.”
            Luke 17:29-30 “on the DAY that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. It will be just the same on the DAY that the Son of Man is revealed”

            In the first example Jesus uses “days” in the second he uses “day.” why is that? I think the reason is Jesus is making two distinct points about his return. In the second example about Lot, Jesus is showing that the Rapture and the pouring out of the First Trumpet Judgment (Fire and Brimstone) will occur on the Day of the Lord, on the exact same day. Believers will be saved and unbelievers destroyed and punished. Please note that fire and brimstone only falls on the Day of the Lord at the end of the sixth year of the 70th Week. Fire does not fall on the last day of the 70th Week.

          3. Curtis, Thank you for this well written article. I don’t think I buy Mr. Yandian’s idea that every year is the acceptable year of the Lord. Jesus was not resurrected on the Day of Atonement. He was resurrected on First Fruits! I do agree with him that Jesus was announcing that that particular year was the Jubilee, possibly contrary to Jewish Tradition, however. Also notice Mr. Yandian gets it right that the Jubilee starts on Yom Kippur (as opposed to a traditional jewish year that begins on Rosh Hashanah [Yom Teruah]). This is how the year before Jubilee can be 1 year ten days long.

      2. All Glory to God

        Nelson,

        Something was brought to my attention today that I believe I should share with you and your readers.

        I had a dream where I saw Rev 4 and 5 written. I have had this before and when I look at the bible verse I see immediately what I am being led to see. This time however it was not the case… then I remembered sometime back when walking in my home I heard voice say “I am about to open the 7 seals”. At the time, this did not surprise me as I believe we are in the end times. Something about this dream shook me a little, I had the impression that the event described in Rev 4&5 was taking place at that very moment (the Lord was receiving the book with the 7 seals). My interpretation could be wrong of course (I am only a man) but I had a strong urge to share this one.

        God Bless

        1. Wow Curtis, that was quite a dream. Thanks for sharing. Remember that many of the prophets dreamed of future events, so applying that dream to our current day is not assurred. IMO, the seals are not ready to be broken yet because the Dan. 8 war hasn’t taken place and the Antichrist hasn’t “plucked out” 3 horns yet. However, I don’t think we are far away.

          1. All Glory to God

            You are right Nelson. What I saw was Rev 4&5. The Lord starts breaking the seals in Rev 6. He receives the book with the 7 seals in Rev 5.

            God Bless

  10. Nelson,

    Great article. It is critical that we see both heavenly courts in Daniel 7 and Revelation 4-5 as the same. As you pointed out, there are many parallels and similarities between both heavenly visions.
    Have come to this understanding makes it possible to comprehend the futurist application of the entire vision of the four wild beasts. One key verse is Dan 7:12.

    In the beginning of the article, you mentioned about three sets of paired visions (2 and 7, 4 and 9, 8 and 11). I am very aware of the parallels between chapters 2 and 7; 8 and 11). But, I am curious to understand the parallels between the vision in Dan 4 and the prophecy of the 70 weeks. Could you explain little more?

  11. nelson my friend you are making 2 assumptions

    1. existences of 10 toes but daniel 2 never mentioned about 10 toes only toes.
    2. 10 toes are 10 horns (???)

    your conclusion, since 10 toes not exist yet 10 horns also not exist, it means little horn didn’t exist yet so all little horn do didn’t happen yet.

    problem with your interpretation that many clues already fulfilled
    1. beast will attack holy people (islam attacking jew and christian)
    2. will change law (established sharia law)
    3. will change time (established hijria calendar)
    4. speak against most high (reject jesus divinity)

    7 heads are kings/kingdom, 5 fallen, one is, the other not come (rev 17:10)
    1 egypt
    2 asiria
    3 babylon
    4 persia
    5 greece
    6 rome
    7 islamic caliphate – blood related leadership
    8 islamic caliphate – non blood related/sunni

    1. donal, thanks for your comments. Your argument for the number of toes is very, very weak. The horns and toes are obviously parallel; and because nearly 100% of humans have 10 toes, it is assumed. The Beast, as we have seen in this post is 3 part: a demonic Archon, a man, and a kingdom. So the Archon and kingdom aspect of the Beast have been fulfilling some prophecy already obviously. The little horn (the man) obviously has not. Notice Dan. 7 is specific that the saints will be given into his hand for Time Times and Half a Time which has not happened yet.

  12. How would you interpret the passage in Daniel that says the lion was given the heart/mind of a man, and stood upright on two feet? What do you think this is referring to? Also, I find the Bible passages about being saved by grace, but being judged according to deeds confusing. How can we ever know if we’ve done “enough” good deeds to be judged as righteous?

    1. Fortunately we are judged from two books Janae!! When Gid judges us from the book of our deeds everyone is found unrighteous and worthy of the lake of fire. BUT then he opens the Book of Life and our faith in Jesus gives us his righteousness. Hallelujah! All of us should fear judgement from only the book of deeds

  13. This is indeed an enlightening scriptural analysis. Scripture witnessing to scripture. I’m still not entirely convinced about the resurrection/harpazo occurring a year before the physical return of Jesus. During the most tumultuous time of the great tribulation (very near his return) all who call upon Jesus will be saved according to Acts. “THE SUN WILL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE GREAT AND GLORIOUS DAY OF THE LORD SHALL COME. ‘AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.’ Doesn’t this indicate that this occurs near the end of the 7th year?

    1. Thanks Ken. Day of the Lord is the day of Resurrection and Rapture and the pouring out of God’s Wrath. All three events occur on one day and initiate the one year ten day Wrath of God. I see no reason to believe the Day of the Lord has to be end of 7th Year. The verse you quote is about the Celestial Earthly Disturbance which occurs prior to the Rapture and Wrath which is the Day of the Lord. THIS ARTICLE might help.

      1. Nelson,
        Yes I can see by the supporting scriptures that the day of wrath may be a year long. But Paul says …we will be all changed in the twinkling of an eye, at the Last Trumpet. You are saying the first trumpet judgement.

        1. Ken, IMO you are confusing the Trumpet Judgments where the trumpets are blown by angels and the “Last Trumpet” which is blown by God (Zech. 9:14). That is why it is called the “Trumpet of God” by Paul. The “Last Trumpet” is a Jewish Idiom for the last long trumpet blast on Yom Teruah (Rosh Hashanah). The seventh trumpet is the coronation of Jesus in Heaven pictured in Rev. 11 and Rev. 15 when the Kingdoms of the World have become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah.

          1. Nelson,
            Sorry for bugging you but are you saying that the first of the seven trumpets of Revelations is also the Last Trumpet of God referred to by Paul on the day of the rapture?

      2. Ken,

        Nelson is correct regarding the chronology of events above in his response to you. This is the only way that scripturally is consistent throughout the Bible and makes common sense. If you mediate on the order in conjunction with scripture, you will see the magnificent simplicity of God’s plan. It has been the confusion of fallen man that has clouded our understanding but also God in unsealing and revealing what was intended his people know all along at the appointed time to prepare his church for what is surely to come.

        Blessings!

        1. I’m not. For example…to use the ark of Noah being above the earth for a year and 10 days as example of support for the the day of wrath to be a year, is forcing a puzzle piece to fit a needed place in the picture. Spinning the words of Christ to support a theory. God says he will not destroy the world by water which took a year a 10 days to spring forth and recede. Besides, how many days could creatures on the earth, particularly man, last during that flood? Certainly not a year, a week would be a stretch.
          Jesus used Lot with Sodom as any example also. Lot was taken to safety in one night. The city was destroyed in less than a day by fire. The wrath of God will not be a year, who could withstand that? And using the appearance of Jesus twice once in the air and the second on earth is a compromise likened to the pre trib rapture proponents. Jesus said he will return once more. …”And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them.They also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”

          It is no more clear than that. “Why do you stand looking into the sky”…those are carefully chosen words. These men of Galilee will have been experienced the harpazo and will be watching the return as the two men speaking to them. He will return from the sky to earth. Not send a sign, gather his people and retreat and return over a year later. And what about the two men in white clothing? It doesn’t say angels. The apostles knew the difference between angels and men appearing with translated bodies, because they saw Christ in a translated body. This two men are two witnesses with bodies of resurrected saints..and maybe they are the Two Witnesses God will send during the Great Tribulation.

          The Ascension of Christ is a monumental section of scripture which people overlook as not prophetic.

          1. Ken, I can’t disagree with you more, or over a more important topic. To me it is crystal clear. “JUST as in the DAYS of Noah so will be the DAYS of the son of man” (Luke 17:26) Why were the dates and number of days so clearly and carefully recorded in Genesis about the flood when no other Genesis passage records dates or times so precisely?? Don’t you find it amazing that the number of days from the most likely Rapture date (Yom Teruah, “the day and hour no man knows”) and the most likely Second Coming date (Yom Kippur the “Day of Atonement”) is exactly the same length as the Flood, I mean EXACTLY. It should ENPHOBUS us (fill us with holy fear).

            In terms of Lot, this is a valid picture as well. Lot was saved in one day and the fire fell later on the EXACT SAME DAY. This is a perfect picture. We are raptured first and only then on the EXACT SAME DAY will the fire, brimstone and hail fall which is the First Trumpet Judgment. Now the rest of the trumpets take a year to take place and the bowls take place in the last ten days. In Jewish calendars these ten days are teh DAYS OF AWE, when the fate of all men are determined. It is a last chance at repentance. Can you see how perfectly these pieces fit???

            Just like a Jewish calendar week, the 70th Week of Daniel will provide the saints six years of laborous toil (tribulation) and one year of Sabbath Rest in heaven while Jesus destroys our enemies under our feet (on the earth below!) (see Psalm 47:3 and Rom. 16:20). Did you know that Jewish marriage laws prohibit a bridegroom from going to war for one year after taking a bride? This is the one year we are in heaven before Jesus descends to the earth “Just as he left.” Look at the Olivet Discourse. Why don’t any of the Trumpet judgements appear as signs of Jesus’s coming? Why does the Rapture happen after the sixth seal? Did Jesus try to mislead us by ignoring important signs like the burning up of 1/3 the land (First Trumpet)??? Hardly. He comes for his church at the seventh seal on Yom Teruah (the day and hour no man knows) of the sixth year.

            The pieces fit in a perfect way, divine way.

            BTW, Acts 1:9-11 may refer to some of the saints who were resurrected with Jesus. It is possible. It is unusual they were not referred to as angels. However, they cannot be the two witnesses because “it is appointed to man once to die” and the witnesses are killed. That is UNLESS living saints were raptured prior to death at that point. (If so who were they?) Someday we will know.

          2. Nelson,
            First of all thank you for your attention to my concerns……
            However,
            Yom Kippur follows the ten days of awe after Yom Teruah, in every year. There is no scripture or words of Jesus that say there will be a year and ten days in between the fall feast day fulfillment by Christ.

            When he fulfilled the four spring feasts they were back to back in the same year. The 3 fall feasts will most likely be fulfilled in the same manner.

            Jesus says like the days of Noah….They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

            No matter how many times I read Luke 17 in its entirety, Jesus explains that his return for his people and invoke the wrath of God is the same day. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

            Non believers will be totally surprised by his return, the rapture of his bride, the resurrection of the dead in Christ, and the beginning of his wrath over the earth. No one knows what day this will be but The Father. No one knows how long the wrath of God will take, but many times throughout the bible it is referred to as the day of the Lord, the day of wrath. Nowhere does Jesus allude or say that he will first appear in the sky and wisk to safety his people. Then come back later and destroy the antichrist and his armies and people ;who took the mark of the beast.

            In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

            32 Remember Lot’s wife.

            33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

            34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

            35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

            36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

            37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

            These verses by Jesus in Luke refer to those people who love their mortal lives more that everlasting life. They cannot totally part with the sinful world they lived in so they are left. The ones taken are raptured on the day of Christs’ return. And the clue here is that it will occur at night. The ones left will be destroyed as Sodom in Lot’s time, and earth in Noah’s time.

            The parable of the 10 virgins ignores the amount of time the groom is away preparing the house for his bride. It focuses on the night of the grooms return for his bride. Jesus has been preparing mansions for his bride since the day he ascended into heaven.

          3. Ken, We certainly agree on several things. We both agree that Jesus’s return and Wrath happen the same day. Here is as simplified a version as I can provide:

            1. The Olivet Discourse Proof is the most elegant Rapture proof in the Bible. It disproves a post-Trib and pre-Trib rapture in one proof. Jesus would not mislead his sheep by not giving a complete list of signs before his coming when specifically asked. Thus if the Trumpets are not included in the Olivet Discourse, his return in Matt. 24: 29-31 CANNOT be on the last day of the 70th Week. Period. Only the seals are shown.

            2. Now we have disproved both Post-Trib and Pre-Trib Rapture theories, only the Pre-Wrath remains. Since we have 3 texts in Isaiah saying the Wrath of God is one year long (listed in previous comments), our working theory is that it is one year.

            3. Original Wrath in Noah’s flood is one year, ten days. Jesus’s statement in Luke 17:26 confirms this is the timing to use. DAYS of Noah = DAYS of Son of Man. So we change our theory to a one year, ten day wrath.

            4. Interestingly Isa. 61:2 confirms a one year, ten day period. When Jesus quoted this in Luke 4:19 what was he talking about? This was 3 years before his death. Why was that the favorable year back prior to AD 30? Because it was the Jubilee Year. Jesus was announcing it, telling us when it was. The Jubilee year begins on Yom Kippur. All other years begin on Tom Teruah. All other years are a year long, but the year before the Jubilee year is ONE YEAR, TEN DAYS long and ends on Yom Kippur. (sound familiar?) Jesus will Rapture us a year before the Jubilee, and will land on the Mount of Olives (with us) one year, ten days later on the precise Jubilee year. This year before the Jubilee is the only one year, ten day YEAR in the cycle of 49 years

            5. Jesus telegraphs to us that he is coming on Yom Teruah for the Rapture calling it the “day and hour no man knows” that is a Jewish idiom for Yom Teruah which is determined by the new moon which can be either of two days and any hour of the night.

            6. Dan. 9:24 tells us that at the end of the 70th Week ATONEMENT will be made for iniquity when Jesus returns and saves all Israel in one day. This happens on Yom Kippur, the day of Atonement.

            It all fits like perfect puzzle pieces. I know it is hard to abandon tradition, but the evidence is overwhelming. Here is my opinion of the fulfillment of the feasts since you mention them:

            Yom Teruah, end year six: Resurrection/Rapture/Wrath =Day of the Lord = 7th Seal
            Tabernacles, year seven: Wedding Feast of the Lamb IN HEAVEN with Jesus
            Yom Teruah, year seven: Coronation of Jesus IN HEAVEN at 7th Trumpet
            Yom Kippur, end year seven: Second Coming, Armageddon, Salvation of the Jews, Jubilee Year at 7th Bowl
            Tabernacles, year eight: Jews/Christians/Jesus celebrate on earth for 8 days “in the presence of our enemies” (Psalm 24): dead enemies
            Chesvan 10, year eight: Sheep and Goat Judgment, Daniel’s 1290 days
            Kislev 25, year eight: Hanukkah and Temple rededication, Daniel’s 1335 days

  14. Nelson, I recently discovered Daniel chapter 12 vs. 2, talks about the rapture also. That chapter really puts the rapture!! Also I found something really interesting as well in Matthew chapter 13, starting at vs 36, but you can start reading before that verse. Vs 41 says The son of man will send fourth his angles and they will gather out of his kindom all causes of offense persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin and all who do iniquity and act wickedly, and cast them into the furnace of fire. (Sorry to go off track here but I had been wondering about this.) I have a question about your post. But will ask it later.

    1. Chris, Yes, You are absolutely correct the Rapture is in Daniel, but I think its verse 3! Here is Dan. 12: 1-3

      there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book (BOOK OF LIFE) will be rescued. 2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake (RESURRECTION), these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven (We will be changed in a twinkling of an eye at the RAPTURE!), and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.

      The order in these verses is exactly what you expect: 1) the Great Tribulation takes place, 2) the books are opened and the judgment takes place, 3) the dead in Christ are resurrected, and 4) then the risen and the living are changed into resurrection bodies that shine brightly.

      As for Matt. 13:41, IMO this is picture of the Goat and Sheep Judgment of Matt. 25 where the Goats are thrown into the lake of fire. Also notice at the end of this parable is found another reference to resurrection bodies and shining like the sun. This is also pictured in Rev. 14. First is the picture of the Rapture when Jesus sits on a cloud and repeats the righteous. Then an angel comes to repeat the grapes. Rapture first, then wrath second.

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