When They Say “Peace and Safety”

Most Christians are aware that in 1 Thessalonians Paul tells us that immediately before the Day of the Lord (the Wrath of God), the inhabitants of the world will believe they have entered a time of security. It’s when they say “peace and safety” that sudden destruction comes upon them.  This is a confusing passage to a lot of Christians, and has led to a lot of misunderstandings about what Paul was saying.

Let’s start by looking at the passage in question:

Therefore encourage one another with these words. Now concerning the times (Gk: CHRONON, meaning chronology) and the seasons (Gk: KAIRON, meaning appointed times), brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you.  For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.  While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.  But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thess. 4: 18 – 5: 4 NASB)

As with all passages, we need to look at it in context. Immediately before this passage, Paul had given the Thessalonians the clearest description of the rapture in scripture (1 Thess. 4:13-17). We also see this passage is to be an encouragement to that church.  The reason it is encouragement is the final verse of the this passage which clearly says that the Day of the Lord will not surprise Christians like a thief in the night.  Christians will know the approximate timing of the Day of Lord.

Why is the earlier passage on the Rapture linked to this passage about the Day of the Lord (God’s Wrath)? Because they happen on the same day! We know from Jesus’s explanation in Luke 17:29 that immediately after the Rapture, God will rain down fire and brimstone (the First Trumpet judgment).  So when Paul says the Day of the Lord won’t surprise us, he is also saying the Rapture won’t surprise Christians and the Wrath of God that follows it (on the same day) won’t surprise them. It won’t surprise us because the passage says we will know the chronology (CHRONON) of the end times and how the Feasts of the Lord (KAIRON or appointed times) will be fulfilled.

Christians won’t be surprised, but unbelievers will. Jesus gives us two prophetic examples of the unrighteous being surprised by his coming as well:

And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. It was the same as happened in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building; but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed.  (Luke 17:26-30)

In this passage we see the unrighteous performing all sorts of everyday tasks: eating, drinking, marrying, buying and selling, building and planting. Building, planting and marrying are activities one does with a long term future in mind. They are obviously taken by compete surprise by the destruction that comes upon them.

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Returning to our topic, let’s see what various camps in the Christian prophetic community have to say about this concept:

Three Views Based on Rapture Timing

  • Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theorists believe the world will be saying “Peace and Safety” right before the Rapture which they believe occurs before the 70th Week of Daniel begins. They assume people are saying “peace and safety” based on some kind of Peace Treaty.  They consider the entire 70th week to be the Day of the Lord.

We have proved numerous times on this blog that there is no Pre-Trib. Rapture. But this is not the only reason this theory is flawed. The 70th Week of Daniel does not commence with sudden destruction. Jesus compares this day to the start of the flood and to fire and brimstone. Rather, the 70th Week begins with a Peace Treaty that isn’t broken until the midpoint.

  • Post-Tribulation Rapture Theorists have a problem with this verse in 1 Thess. 5. Events during the 70th Week of Daniel increase in intensity as the week progresses. Certainly at the very end of the “Week” before the physical return of Christ, the Trumpet Judgments occur and then the Bowls are poured out. Also prior to the return of Christ, Satan assembles the nations to fight him. The last days of the 70th Week are not a time of “peace and safety.” For this reason many Post-Trib. theorists say it is the Jews saying “peace and safety” before Jerusalem is invaded at the midpoint of the “Week.” This however, requires the entire last 3 1/2 years to be the Day of the Lord.

There are serious problems with this theory as well. First of all we know from Ezek. 4 that the invasion of Israel is preceded by a 430 day siege. This is not sudden destruction. Jesus tells us in Luke 21:25 that when the armies surround Jerusalem, his people are to flee. If the people have time to flee and see vast armies, that isn’t sudden destruction either.

Second, we know from Isaiah 34:8, 61:2, and 63:4 that the Day of the Lord is approximately one year long. This can’t be reconciled with a 3 1/2 year Day of the Lord.

Third, the destruction of the Day of the Lord is God’s destruction not man’s (Isa. 13:6, Joel 1:15). It is not a simple invasion.

  • Only a Pre-Wrath view can solve this puzzle. I believe there is one point during the 3 1/2 year “Times of the Gentiles” when a calm before the storm is reached. IMO, it is this exact time that Jesus and Paul refer to.

Chronology (CHRONON) of the end times

If we look at the proper chronology of the end times and when the Day of the Lord takes place, we can better understand why the unsaved will say “peace and safety.” As we have seen in numerous other blog posts:

  • We believe the Day of the Lord will happen at the end of the 6th year of the 70th Week of Daniel on Yom Teruah, one year and ten days before the physical, earthly return of Jesus at the Second Coming.
  • Some time (probably several months) prior to the Rapture, the Celestial Earthly Disturbance Event will occur which will end the Great Tribulation.
  • We also suspect the ministry of the two witnesses (Rev. 11) will have been ongoing during this same period.
  • And of course, warfare will be a constant feature of the reign of Antichrist.  Changes in all of these factors can play into the feelings of peace and safety.

The reason the unrighteous say “peace and safety” at the beginning of the Day of the Lord is embedded in this timetable of events. Let me paint a scenario and support it with scripture:

SCENARIO:

  1. About 3/4 of the way through the sixth year of the 70th Week of Daniel, the Antichrist will have crushed the power of the Holy People, Jews and Christians. (See Dan. 8: 24 and Dan. 12:7.) Scattered bands of Christians and Jews will be in hiding, but the Antichrist will have almost completed his demonic attempt to wipe them out.  The unrighteous will say “peace and safety” because Christians are no longer presenting them with a testimony that challenges their Muslim beliefs.
  2. The AC will also finally have conquered Egypt, the King of the South, his arch enemy during the 70th Week. (See. Dan. 11:40-42.) He will also have defeated most of the strong western nations with the help of demons. (See Dan. 11:39). They will say “peace and safety” because the Antichrist wars will have paused.
  3. Then at this point, about 3/4 of the way through the sixth year, the Celestial Earthly Disturbance occurs. Earth’s orbit is disrupted, volcanos darken the sky with their smoke and earthquakes, meteors and Tsunamis rock the planet. Nothing like this has happened during recorded history. The Antichrist and his minions hide in caves and forgo their plan to wipe out the Christians. Survival mode takes over. From their caves, the forces of the Antichrist state that the Wrath of God is here(Rev. 6:17). They are wrong however, the Day of the Lord is still about two months away.
  4. Finally, the earth starts to settle down. The earthquakes, volcanos and Tsunamis end. Massive destruction of cities has taken place, but there are still billions of unrighteous left alive. The Antichrist and his minions finally feel safe enough to leave their caves and begin the process of clearing rubble and restoring what is left of their empire. They will say “peace and safety” because they think that they have survived the worst and God’s Wrath isn’t coming.
  5. In the midst of these efforts, the two witnesses stand in Jerusalem and tell the world that this is the final sign before the return of Christ and that God’s Wrath is coming.  These witnesses have been a thorn in the side of Antichrist for 3 1/2 years causing there to be no rain and probably causing other calamities. Finally with their mission complete, God removes the hedge of protection from around the witnesses. With the protection of God removed, the Antichrist kills the witnesses (who were probably blamed for the Celestial Earthly Disturbance) and the world rejoices, sends each other gifts, and says “peace and safety” now they are free from the witnesses. This is a key point. It is most unlikely that the world will say “peace and safety” until the witnesses are dead.

So it is at this point the inhabitants of the earth say “peace and safety” for this multitude of reasons. The Christians and Jews are in hiding and not reminding the unrighteous of their need of salvation. The Antichrist wars are temporarily over (probably due to the Celestial Earthly Disturbance). The two witnesses who tormented the unrighteous with their testimony and plagues are finally dead and the Celestial Earthly Disturbance is now a memory. They all say, “finally, peace and safety.” What they don’t know is the return of Christ (the Rapture) and his Wrath are only 3 1/2 days away.

Now this is my best estimate (only a guess) of what happens.

The Two Witnesses

In a recent blog post about the Resurrection, we discussed the career of the two Witnesses. I think their deaths are the primary basis for the Antichrist forces saying “peace and safety.” A world-wide gift giving holiday is called for upon their deaths. This is obviously an event of massive proportions.

Most prophecy teachers and commentaries place the 1260 day ministry of the two witnesses as either during the first half or the second half of Daniel’s 70th Week. They do this because we know that at least the second half of the “Week” is 1260 days long, so they assume the two mentions of 1260 days are the same period. There are massive scriptural problems with either of these two timings (we will explain that in a future article). What I’ve come to realize is that the most “likely” timing of the 1260 day ministry of the witnesses is from partway into the 3rd year of the “Week” until 3 1/2 days before the Resurrection/Rapture at the end of the sixth year of the “Week.” If this timing is correct, this places the death of the witnesses at exactly the right time for the inhabitants of the world to claim “peace and safety” (now that the witnesses aren’t tormenting them) immediately before the Day of the Lord (the outpouring of God’s Wrath.) It also places the death of the witnesses at exactly the right point for them to be resurrected with the rest of the dead saints at the end of the sixth year.

As further evidence of this timing, we notice in Rev. 11:13 that a earthquake immediately follows the death of the witnesses. We know that an earthquake follows the opening of the seventh seal, so this event also matches the timing.

Summary

Jesus’s and Paul’s statements that there will be “peace and safety” before sudden destruction is a puzzle. But when we solve the puzzle, it provides enormous confirmation of a Pre-Wrath timing of the Rapture at the end of sixth year of the 70th Week. IMO, there is only one “sweet spot” where “peace and safety” will precede sudden destruction.

 

 

 

 

 

45 thoughts on “When They Say “Peace and Safety””

  1. All Glory to God

    Nelson,

    I await your article on this subject. I apologize that I have been tied down of recent and have not found the time to read your book or indeed all your previous posts as I would want to.

    On the Gospel of the Kingdom, I wish to point you to Matthew 24 v 13

    “But he that shall ENDURE unto the end, the same shall be saved”.(KJV)

    I will say this, the gospels are the same in the sense that Lord Jesus is always the ONLY way, truth and the life and no man may come to God EXCEPT through Lord Jesus but there are some nuances. Looking at what our Lord preached the message is consistently enduring until His second coming. The Lord did not speak much about the rapture as this is in the Gospel of the Church. In contrast Paul (who received the Gospel from the Lord) speaks almost exclusively about the rapture. Also why would Paul have to receive the Gospel in the 3rd heaven (2 Corinthians 12v2) if the Lord had spent 3.5 years preaching the same Gospel?

    I am not dogmatic about these things and have prayed to the Lord for guidance. It appears me that the message on “endurance” is not for us in Church age but for those who will be around during the time of wrath.

    God Bless

    1. Curtis, Jesus preached the Rapture in Matthew 24: 27-31. This is the coming of our Lord after the 2.5 year Great Tribulation. The error Post_Trib. Rapture theorists make is assuming the Great Tribulation lasts all 3.5 years and thus that the Rapture occurs at the end of that period. Why then does the marriage supper of the Lamb take place IN HEAVEN, PRIOR to the physical return of Jesus on a white horse in Rev. 19??? Why does the Wrath of God begin on the Day of the Lord with fire and brimstone, yet the only mention of fire falling from heaven in Revelation is at the First Trumpet in Rev. 8??? Both of these facts fit perfectly with a Rapture on the Day of the Lord at the end of the sixth year of the 70th Week. In that way the 70th Week mirrors a calendar week of six days of toil and a Sabbath rest. In this case the 70th Week is six years of toil with a one year rest in heaven for the saints after the Rapture. This is a Pre-Wrath Rapture.

      1. All Glory to God

        Nelson,

        You misunderstand me. I do not believe in a Post-Trib rapture. I believe in a Pre-Wrath rapture as you do, I do not share your timing though. I only point out certain nuances in the Gospel as seen in the Bible. Note that (I believe) the Gospel of the Kingdom ended when wrath came upon Jerusalem (as the Lord Himself predicted), the temple and Israel were wiped out. This meant that time was up for Israel to call upon the Messiah and the Gospel of the Kingdom postponed to a later date when Israel had been a re-gathered (parable of the fig-tree).

        Below is an interesting article I found. The writer believes in a Pre- 70th Week rapture which neither you or I subscribe to. The rest however, I do agree with.

        http://www.matthewmcgee.org/2gospels.html

        God Bless

        1. Thanks Curtis. I appreciate the article. I agree and disagree with the author. His main point is that the “gospel” or good news changed over time as the plan of God was revealed to his servants, primarily Paul. I agree with this. Obviously the understanding of the early disciples of Christ matured over time and that originally they envisioned only a physical kingdom with a physical king and did not grasp all that God had planned. We are told that the mind of man still cannot envision all that God has planned for us!

          I also agree with the writer that initially the Jews will experience the Millenial Kingdom differently than the saints who are changed at the Rapture. We will still experience the Kingdom and as such the Gospel is still “The Gospel of the Kingdom.” We will rule and reign with our King. I will explain this mroe fully in a future article, but thanks for what you sent. I may use this as a basis for that future article.

          1. All Glory to God

            Nelson,

            I believe the solution to this puzzle can be found in the Lord’s own words

            Consider Matthew 24 v 8-14

            “All these are the beginning of sorrows.

            Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

            And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

            And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

            And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

            But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

            And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come” (KJV).

            Obviously the Lord is talking about the time of the Great Tribulation. Note what he says about “…THIS Gospel of the Kingdom”. The Lord is differentiating (for lack of a better term) the Gospel that will be preached at that time.

            Now consider Revelations 14 v 6-12 (which I have quoted in an earlier comment), this I believe to be the Gospel of the Kingdom that will be preached. Note the part about not taking the mark of the beast? this is a work. Our Gospel (of the Church) is based on Salvation without works.

            Now take Verse 13 of Matthew 24 (quoted above)

            “But he that shall ENDURE unto the end, the same shall be saved”

            Compare with Revelations 14 v 12

            “Here is the ENDURANCE of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus”

            See the similarity. Make no mistake, refusing to take the mark of the beast will require special Grace for endurance. You will not have be able to buy or sell because you will not have a bank account. I suspect you will not be to work, travel, get healthcare etc…all the things we take for granted today. Plus you will be hunted constantly by the police.

            This Gospel is similar to what was taught by our Lord where those who believed had to follow and wait until His death to receive the Promise.

          2. These are good points you make Curtis, especially about Rev. 14. and the word endurance. I enjoyed your logic on this one. I also have always thought Rev. 14 is the fulfillment of Matt. 24:14. I wrote about that in my first book. However, I don’t believe it is a different gospel. Those with saving faith will not be saved because they don’t take the Mark. They are saved by the blood of Jesus. Their saving faith is their love of him. As he says “If you love me you will keep my commandments.” This means if you love Jesus and have his spirit within you, you will be able to keep his commandments even in the midst of great trial. The “work” of not taking the Mark is a sign of saving faith. It is not the work itself that saves.

            My opinion is there will be those who don’t take the Mark, but yet are not saved. These are the “sheep” in the Goat and Sheep judgment. Notice that the Sheep and Goat judgment is one of works. That is because they are human survivors of the 70th Week.

            Hope that helps

    2. If you were discussing a Pre-Tribulation Rapture (I couldn’t tell from your question) it is also incorrect for a host of reasons. One of my next articles is about the Day of the Lord. This article will give you plenty to consider in terms of why the other Rapture views may be in error and Pre-Wrath is what is taught on this site.

  2. All Glory to God

    Nelson,

    Thank you for your reply. I found it very useful. I disagree on a few points however. The pale horse rider does bring war (notice the reference to “the sword”) not as a big war as the red horse rider (that one is global) but one covering a fourth of the earth (possibly the Middle East). When there is a war in the Middle East, oil prices will go through the roof. Since oil is used in thousands of products (including medicine) not just fuel, such a war would be catastrophic for the entire world. This is still “the birth pangs” in my view as the Lord said in Matt 24v9.Note that the 5th Seal shows the lead up to God’s judgment. Martyrdom of the saints does not stop there, in fact Rev 6v11 says

    “…that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled”. More had to come first

    Matthew 24 v 9-15

    A clue to this is Matt 24 v 14

    “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come”.

    Note that the Lord’s Ministry was for 3.5 years. Lord Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom and did not speak much about the Church because the Church could only arise after His death and return to Heaven. The Gospel of the Kingdom shall be brought back after the Church is gone for the same 3.5 years the Lord preached it.

    God Bless

    1. First let me answer your question about the “Gospel of the Kingdom” first. The Gospel, the true gospel, is always the Gospel of the Kingdom. I suggest you purchase my book which discusses how the Church makes a mistake of separating the first coming from the second. There aren’t two gospels, its one unified good news. I’m am putting this on my list to write about. It will take about 4 or 5 weeks (I have a backlog of articles), but I’ll get to it. But in a nutshell, the gospel of the Kingdom is for all of us, Christian and Jew who will rule and reign on the earth with Jesus. The Kingdom is the consummation of the age.

      Second, about a war at the midpoint of the 70th week, yes, of course there is a war. After Israel is conquered, the Antichrist goes after and finally defeats Egypt as well. As for the sword described in regard to the green (Gk: CHLOROS) horse (note: not pale, but vibrant green as in Islam), the sword here is part of the four means of killing: sword, pestilence, famine and wild beasts. This is a quote from Ezekiel about the 4 plagues to come upon Jerusalem. The sword specifically is a short, two edged scimitar that will be used for beheading.

  3. All Glory to God

    Nelson says:

    Curtis, thanks for clarifying. IMO both the 4th and 5th seals relate to the Great Tribulation which is the persecution of saints by the Antichrist and False Prophet. God permits the Great Tribulation, but it certainly isn’t “by his hand.” The martyrs under the altar are martyred because of the Word of God and their testimony of Jesus. Do you believe this is at the hand of God? I’m sure not. God’s Wrath is always against the unrighteous not the righteous.

    In terms of two separate Wraths, The Father and Jesus are two persons but one God. I only believe there will be one Wrath.

    Curtis says:

    No I do not believe Christians are martyred by God’s Hand. I see we have different ideas as to when the Great Tribulation begins. I believe the Great Tribulation begins with the opening of the 7th Seal which also coincides with AC assuming control of the entire world (his 42 month career). Christians are sadly martyred all the time, even today. I believe Paul’s reference of “sudden destruction” was for unbelievers not believers who would be under pressure well before that time as they are even today

    I accept that I need more guidance on the Wrath of God. I believe God is One as you do. It seems, however, that the book of revelations separates the two wraths.

    God Bless

    1. Curtis, Thanks for continuing to interact on this. That is how we both become sharpened iron.

      The 7 seals are on a scroll, which we have seen in previous posts includes the Book of Life, so when the 7th seal opens, there is the Resurrection/Rapture. We also know the Wrath of God begins on the same day as the Rapture. These are great starting points to understand the timing of the opening of the seals. The second important issue is something I have called “The Pattern of Seven Events” which are 1.) deception by false messiahs, 2.) war and bloodshed, 3.) famine, 4.) abomination and death, 5.) martyrdom, 6.) celestial signs and rapture, 7.) wrath. You may recognize that the seals follow this basic pattern. There are multiple, multiple prophetic passages in the OT and NT that follow this same pattern. The feasts of the Lord and even the lines of the Lord’s prayer follow this pattern. It is everywhere in scripture, but most have not seen it yet. In my new unpublished book Revelation Deciphered, I spend several hundred pages detailing these prophetic passages. As I mentioned above, the Seals are one occurrence, Luke 21:8-11 is another, etc. In a couple weeks I will post an article showing how the unholy ministry of the False Prophet follows the first four events of this pattern as well. Interestingly that coming article will show the PURPOSE of the first four events as well. These are not random events.

      Now that being said, let’s look at one other example (but there are multitude more) that shows that the Great Tribulation begins at the fourth seal. Commentators will never figure this out simply by reading Revelation. It is not meant to be a stand alone book. Rather, scripture needs to interpret scripture. In Matthew 24 (the Olivet Discourse) we are given the order of events that occur during the 70th Week of Daniel. Read Matt. 24:4-14. Do you see some of the Pattern of Seven Events emerging? First is “deception by false prophets (vv. 4-5).” Next is “war and bloodshed (vv.6-7)” Then third is “famine (v.7).” In verse 8 Jesus calls these events “the Beginning of the Birth Pangs” or the preliminary period prior to the Great Tribulation; the first 3 1/2 years. In verse 9-13 we see the first description of the Great Tribualtion where Christians are killed, hated, and betrayed. Verse 15 begins with “therefore” which is there for a reason. It points back to vv. 9-14 showing the sign of the start of the Great Tribulation is the Abomination. This then is the fourth sign “abomination and death (vv. 9-16).”

      Now go back to Rev. 6 and look at the seals and see how they also fit this pattern. White horse rider is deception by false messiah, Red horse rider is war and bloodshed, black horse rider is economic colapse and famine, green horse rider is death. The Pattern of Seven Events is everywhere, we must train our eyes to look for it because it explains so much. So clearly by this analysis the Great Tribulation begins at the fourth seal at the midpoint of the 70th Week of Daniel.

      Hope that helps.

  4. It’s very possible that these celestial earthly disturbances are caused by the 2 witnesses, that are trying to stop A.C.s complete rule over Israel and surrounding region.
    May be their death, will result in the reduction of celestial disturbances and A.C. and the false prophet will announce and propagate the “peace and Safety” theme, as a result of their victory over the 2 witnesses.

    Very similar to when Pontus Pilate
    and the Pharisees thought that peace and order will be established, once Jesus is crucified.

    1. Afo, I love how you connect the death of the witnesses and a possible proclamation of peace with Jesus’s death and similar thoughts at that time. I think there are great parallels there.

  5. Thanks for all of you help Nelson!! I know that you must put a lot of time into your blogs. I have put them to good use, they really help me to study the bible better than I would on my own. So your work is appreciated!! I read your blogs then stop and look everything up for myself. I have learned so much just by reading your blogs. I have not read them all yet but I am working on it!! I can’t wait to get your book and am looking forward the the one to come in the future. I have spent some time trying to figure the Book of Revelation out and I do not have the mystery solved yet. 🙂 Happy writing and God Bless

  6. I really enjoy reading your blogs Nelson, even it the events you describe seem hard to imagine right now. I have been struggling on the issue of the rapture and when it occurs for a while now. So reading what you have to say about that event has helped somewhat!! How ever, some of my Christian friends say that God has not appointed us to wrath. And of course there is that blessed hope argument as well. I really do not know what to believe anymore!! I do feel that understanding more about the end times is what God has told us to do. Other wise why put it in the Bible?? If no Christian will have to face the Great Tribulation?? Is it there to scare everyone to death so we will turn to God?? Maybe. I am not a very good writer so I hope you can make sense of what I am trying to say/ask?? All of the things that you are writing about are serious issues that we all have to try and understand. Thanks

    1. Christine, thank you for your questions. When the Church’s teachers present very divergent views on a subject, how can one not feel confused? Here is a very simple approach: “unless someone is 100% sure that the Rapture is Pre-Trib, it is morally irresponsible to not teach preparation for the Antichrist.” 1970’s Christian Vocalist Keith Green said, “Pray for Pre-Trib, prepare for Post-Trib”. So the question becomes why would someone not adopt this simple approach? Fear. Fear of having to admit you may have been wrong in your doctrine, fear that your church or ministry will lose attendance, and just plain fear of what is to come. It is so easy to teach a doctrine that “everything is going to be okay. Everything will just pan out.” There is a reason that the Pre-Trib rapture theory is less than 200 years old. Only within modern times have Christians been able to live a life of ease. The theory is centered on wanting to believe something that will allow a continuation of that life of ease.

      You are so correct, that if 25% of the Bible concerns the return of Jesus, there must be a reason. Your friends are also correc that we are not appointed unto Wrath. However, they are horribly mistaken when that Wrath takes place. They also horribly misapply our “Blessed Hope.” Our hope is not that we don’t endure tribulation, it’s that we don’t endure wrath. Christ has promised in this life we WILL face tribulation (persecution.)

      Of course none of these superfical arguments on their part or my part are important. What does the Bible specifically say? In 2 Thess. 2:1-4 we are told the Rapture happens after the Great Apostasy and the revealing of the Antichrist at the Abomination of Desolation. What could be clearer? There are zero verses that teach a clear Pre-Trib Rapture. It is all infered. If that is true, how can anyone possibly say they know with 100% certainty that the Rapture is Pre-Trib. Even if one favors that view, the moral imperative is to teach preparation for the Antichrist.

      That is the bottom line. If we aren’t 100% sure, we must prepare. That’s why I wrote my book.

      1. Thanks Nelson, I am a logical thinker so by nature, I tend to see or understand things that make sense to me. I have not been 100% sure that there is a pretribulation rapture, because everything I read in the Bible did not say that to me!! Or simply put, what I read did not match what most people believe!! I kept asking myself why! I felt so much self doubt because I could not accept what many people seem to believe. I am glad I am not the only person that sees thing differently. I have been curious about you book since i have been reading so many of your blogs. Maybe it is time for me to order it now!! Is it on Amazon?? Or can I only order it here??
        Thanks again, Christine

          1. i ordered you book this morning. I am looking forward to reading it. Thank you so much. I know you have written about the seven seals and the 70th week of Daniel. Is there another book that would be good to read about the 70th week of Daniel?? These are very complex texts and hard for the average person to understand. So I have had to rely on people like you and other teachers like joel Richardson to try to understand what it all means. There are many different interpretations out there. Finding one that makes sense to me is really important!!

          2. A great book is “Antichrist Before the Day of the Lord” by Alan Kurschner. I agree with 97% of what Alan as written. That is about as much as I can agree with anyone, LOL.

            My new, unpublished book “Revelation Decipherd” won’t be out till next summer. Till then, Alan’s book is the source I believe.

      2. Well said, Nelson! If there is a “Pre-Trib” rapture why are the martyrs told to wait under the Altar? We would be partying (Pre-Tribbers) in front of God and they have to watch when they have just given their lives for Him? Does’nt make sense. Not the loving FATHER I know. Keep up the good work!

        1. Just thought of another tidbit. His wrath, I believe starts 5 months before His coming. They are given sores to the point that they want to die for 5 months. What stops their pain at the end of the 5 months??????? – HIS COMING! Maranatha! This would be in line with your 2 Witnesses article that BIG things really happen at the 61/2 years into the 70th week.

    2. Christine,

      The Great Tribulation is not the wrath of God. It is the wrath of Satan, who incarnates the man who is the anti-Christ in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week, when Michael evicts him from heaven (Daniel 12 and Revelation 12).

      The wrath of God always has as its target the ungodly. Believers are spared the wrath of God, but they are not spared from tribulation and persecution. Jesus us “I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” Jn. 16:33

      I think Nelson would agree with me on this.

  7. Hi Nelson,

    You mentioned the Day of the Lord will occur at the end of the sixth year of the 70th week of Daniel, before the end of the Great Tribulation. However, it seems to me that the Day of the Lord can only occur after the Great Tribulation…

    According to Matthew 24:29, the heavenly sun/moon signs occur immediately “after” the tribulation; the heavenly sun/moon signs, in turn, occur “before” the Day of the Lord (Joel 2:31). Taken together, doesn’t this show that the Day of the Lord cannot actually include the Great Tribulation, in whole or in part?

    1. Steve, Thanks for your quesiton. I don’t think I said the Day of the Lord occurs before the end of the Great Tribulation. I also strongly agree that the Day of the Lord will occur AFTER the Great Tribulation. The Bible, however, does not say how long the Great Tribulation will last only that there will be Great Tribulation. It is incorrect to assume it will be 3 1/2 years. We are told those days of Great Tribulation will be “cut short.” IMO the Great Tribulation lasts from the Abomination until the Celestial Earthly Disturbance. you are also correct that the Celestial Earthly Disturbance event comes before the Day of the Lord as well. The order of these events are:

      Abomination – Great Tribualtion – Celestial Earthly Distrubance – Day of the Lord – Physical Return of Jesus/Armageddon

      Hope that helps

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    Nelson,

    Interesting article. I disagree with some parts as you well know. Consider also Matt 24 v 37-39

    ” But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

    And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be” (KJV)

    I believe “peace and security” refers to the time after the 2nd Seal war/World War 3 (which comes soon). After this war, many peace agreements will signed, historical conflicts will be settled, weapons of mass destruction abolished, entire armies demobilized and many new international organizations (including the “the beast”) to keep this new order will be created. There will be a feeling of triumph and euphoria that despite all bloodshed and destruction of WW3, a new beginning of lasting peace and prosperity for all mankind has begun. Sound familiar? you’re right…this is exactly what was said after WW2, satan does not change his tricks.

    True Christianity will be outlawed and labeled as religious extremism because it will be viewed as intolerant of other religious views (idolatry), indeed religious extremism will be blamed for starting WW3 in the first place. Therefore Christianity will be seen as incompatible with the “tolerance” of the New World Order. I believe there will be a special international organization set up to deal with “religious extremism” (read Christianity), the excuse will be to stop the world from sliding back into the intolerance and terrorism of the past

    God Bless

    1. Hi Curtis, disagreement is the source of both of us becoming “sharpened iron.” PTL.

      I wrote this article to address exactly the issue you bring up. “Can Paul’s mention of ‘peace and safety’ be a peace treaty signed in the first half of the 70th Week?” Before I answer that, let me say that I agree with you that the Antichrist Wars of the second seal AND the economic colapse of the third seal will lead to globalism through the UN. IMO, these two events will shift the balance of power even more to Islam. Already the United Nations is controled by the voting block: the OIC (Organization of the Islamic Conference.) We are already seeing an “anti-blasphemy” agenda coming to the fore. (More on this in future blog articles)

      Now back to your question, “can this be the ‘peace and safety’ Paul discussed?” The answer is “yes and no.” The wars actually don’t end. They simmer down after the defeat of Egypt which takes place after the Abomination of Desolation. But I agree that a decrease in war and the slaughter of hundreds of millions of Christians will be part of the “peace and safety” as the article discusses. I don’t think this is all of it however. We know that the Day of Lord is destruction from the hand of God, not human destruction/invasion, etc.

      I saw four factors that must be accounted for: Christians eliminated, War ceased, Two Witnesses silenced, and the Celestial Earthly Disturbance events have settled down. Now to be fair, the Celestial Earthly Disturbance might occur right before the Day of the Lord (a majority of prophecy teachers believe this) and be an immediate prelude to the Day of the Lord. I think the Celestial Earthly Disturbance happens two months prior to the Day of the Lord for reasons I write about in my yet unpublished book, but that is only a minor point.

      Hope that helps.

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        Nelson,

        I agree with you that wars will not end with the conclusion of the great war of the 2nd Seal. Just as wars did not end with the conclusion of WW2. In fact, we have the 4th Seal war which takes place over a specific part of the earth. Notice the difference in the swords described in the 2nd Seal and the 4th Seal. The 2nd Seal sword is “great” (meaning the number of dead from the war is great) and the 4th Seal sword is not.

        The 2nd Seal war, I believe, will be an epoch-making event like the previous World Wars before it. Just like previous World Wars it will lead to the creation of new Globalist Institutions in particular the beast (the UN will be replaced by a far more powerful and insidious Global organization just as the UN replaced the much weaker League of Nations after WW2) . I believe these World Wars are instigated through satanic influence with a view to creating this order (the kingdom of satan). Only that God did not allow it to succeed the previous times because it was not yet time.

        Note that Daniel 11 v 36 -39 describes AC as not openly religious (as he considers himself to be greater than any religion, false or not) but of the occult. As he honours satan in secret, indeed satan will give him authority over the demonic world.

        “And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

        Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

        But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

        Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain”. (KJV)

        Consider also Daniel 7 v 23 which says the AC’s organization shall have control of the entire earth not just a part of it.

        “Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces”. (KJV)

        God Bless

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        Nelson,

        I forgot to address your 4 factors. Consider Daniel 9 v 26

        “….and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined”.

        Only the Kingdom of God will put an end to all wars. There will be a brief period of “peace” (for most) until suddenly disaster strikes. This is what I feel Paul refers to. The disaster is the Tribulation.

        I also think the “peace and security” Paul refers to is from the perspective of unbelievers and those who have fallen away. They will not be under any persecution and for many of them things are going really well. I happen to think there is a difference between the wrath of the Lamb and the wrath of God.

        God bless

        1. Curtis, I’m not sure what you meant by the term “the Tribulation” in your comment. Do you mean the entire 70th Week of Daniel (7 years) or the Great Tribulation (last 3 1/2 years.) Neither are the “sudden” distruction and neither are by God’s hand which is necessary for the Day of the Lord. All of this is addressed in the article.

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            Sorry…I meant the Great Tribulation. Hmm…I’m not sure why you say the Great Tribulation isn’t by God’s hand. I agree that the first 5 seals are not acts of God. The 6th and 7th Seals are…the 7th Seal is divided into the wrath of the Lamb (God The Son) and the wrath of God (The Father). Is this your thinking? I look forward to your article

            God Bless

          2. Curtis, thanks for clarifying. IMO both the 4th and 5th seals relate to the Great Tribulation which is the persecution of saints by the Antichrist and False Prophet. God permits the Great Tribulation, but it certainly isn’t “by his hand.” The martyrs under the altar are martyred because of the Word of God and their testimony of Jesus. Do you believe this is at the hand of God? I’m sure not. God’s Wrath is always against the unrighteous not the righteous.

            In terms of two separate Wraths, The Father and Jesus are two persons but one God. I only believe there will be one Wrath.

  9. I’d like to hear your thoughts on the possibility that the celestial disturbance you refer to could instead be a global thermonuclear war.

    My reasoning is, they can make the earth to tremble like never before. That will be especially true if thousands of them are detonated around the world at the same time. Truly the earth will “reel to and fro like a drunkard” if that were to happen. Also, sea detonations can cause tsunami’s, or at least what would appear to be a tsunami as the powers that be try to take out the other sides naval forces. Leaders from around the world will be hunkered down in underground bunkers hiding from the wrath of them.

    Most of the targets for these “wicked fire offerings” possibly those prophesied by Zechariah will be in the west; Europe, North America and the Far East. Most cities are situated at sea ports and major rivers. Such a catastrophe would result in a failure of the electrical grid which could also potentially cause many Fukushima like incidents at nuclear plants around the globe. Because they rely on fresh water supplies to cool them and are located near large water sources (rivers and lakes) for emergencies, the potential for radiation poisoning the drinking water and make them bitter is extremely high.

    That would leave Africa and perhaps South America and Australia/New Zealand as the most “habitable” places left. This could also explain why a third of humanity as well as a significant portion of what dwells in the sea dies. With only a few Middle Eastern military powers such as Turkey and Israel left standing, such a scenario would also help draw the global focus back to Jerusalem where it arguably belongs.

    Your thoughts. . .

    1. Obviously we see thru a glass darkly and much of this is supposition as to the “how” these things happen. I rather doubt that it is war because the unrighteous recognize it as a “God” thing and state the wrath of God has come. They wouldn’t do this if it was a war based destruction IMO

      1. Nelson,

        Thanks for the reply and I agree that even at this late hour, the best we can do is to see through a glass darkly. I think that it’s very possible that you might be right, that when that specific “celestial” event you referred to happens, the unrighteous will see it as a “God” thing but then again, the unrighteous often call out, even stooping so low so as to use God’s name as an epithet when great and awesome things happen. Maybe they understand why they do so and maybe they don’t but, it does happen.

        For example, I remember after the last great San Francisco earthquake President Bush (senior) went to visit the site and a news crew caught him looking at a section of the collapsed freeway and the awesome destruction that took place. As he toured the area looking at the destruction with awe, the audio caught him saying just one word, “Jesus!” Somehow I just don’t think he was really invoking the Lord’s name in prayer. But I did hear a commentator from a Christian radio network spin that incident to make it appear to his listeners that he was.

        Also, what I forgot to mention in my initial response was that I think that a nuclear missile explosion, to the mind of a first century saint like John, could easily be construed as a celestial event like a star falling from the sky. The nuclear reaction that takes place during detonation is really not at all that different from that which takes place in the stars themselves. For John to draw such a conclusion is really no great leap.

        Another thing to remember is that John wrote what he saw. He saw that the people were calling on the rocks to fall on them and hide them from the wrath that was happening to them. It’s not that much of a stretch to picture people hiding in fallout shelters and bunkers during a nuclear attack calling out to God to deliver them. Perhaps they won’t know that it’s God’s wrath, but John certainly did and he wrote it the way he did to reflect that!

        The truth is, you’re right that this is all speculation based on the clues we have before us. All we can do is try to be good Berean’s and hope as the time approaches things become clearer still. That is exactly what I think is happening and why people like yourself and others have been raised up to ask these questions to help awaken Christ’s Church from its centuries long slumber.

        Thank you so much for your hard work. I thoroughly enjoy your writing and I appreciate the mighty effort you put into it and your willingness to discuss it in this forum.

        In Christ,
        Keith

        1. keith, I differentiate between the Celestial Earthly Disturbance which comes before the Day of the Lord (God’s Wrath) and the Trumpet judgments which come after it. Now I do suspect that nuclear weapons may well be involved in some of the Trumpet judgments as you mention, especially trumpets 2, 3, 4 and 6. Although only God knows with certainty. We are only speculating at this point. What we do know is these events will happen and fortunately, scripture has told us their order.

  10. So does the fact that the AC is given authority “over every tribe and people and tongue and nation” (Rev. 13:7-10) mean there will be a one world government? I’ll watch for your upcoming article on this.

  11. You said, “About 3/4 of the way through the sixth year of the 70th Week of Daniel, the Antichrist will have crushed the power of the Holy People, Jews and Christians…Scattered bands of Christians and Jews will be in hiding, but the Antichrist will have almost completed his demonic attempt to wipe them out….He will also have defeated most of the strong western nations with the help of demons.” Some say that the Antichrist will only have power and authority over one fourth of the world’s population, mainly the Middle Eastern nations. What do you think about this? Do you think his power and authority will be much greater than only being over one fourth of the world? Also, who do you think the “mightiest fortresses” are, that the AC attacks (Daniel 11:39)? Does the fact that he comes against the “mightiest fortresses” mean that he never has full power and authority over all of the earth?

    1. Janae, This is a super, super question.

      First of all, the idea that the AC only has authority over 1/4 of the earth’s LAND MASS comes from the fourth seal in Rev. 6:8 “Authority was given to them (Death and Sheol) over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.” The fourth seal breaks at the midpoint of Daniel’s 70th Week which starts the Great Tribulation; so this is describing the start of the Great Tribulation. Now this verse can equally mean 1/4 of the land mass or 1/4 of the population. Which one sounds like Great Tribulation to you? To me its the authority to kill 1/4 of the population. Considering 1/3 of the earth is Christian (both foolish and wise virgins) this 1/4 of the population number seems right. I think if the authority was only over a 1/4 of the earth’s land mass, we would have other warnings in scripture to leave that area. Rather, almost all the warnings are universal.

      In regard to why the AC might have authority over all the earth, we have this verse from Rev. 13:7-10 “It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. If anyone has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.”

      I think this is well worth a separate article to explain the authority that the AC has and what he doesn’t have. Watch for it in a couple weeks.

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