Most Misunderstood Bible Verse

What is the most misunderstood Bible verse? There are lots of candidates: “judge not,” “I didn’t come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it,” etc. But in my opinion the most misunderstood Bible verse (and the most damaging because of that misunderstanding) is Matt. 24:36.


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I am taking a one week break from our study of the Seven Churches of Revelation to discuss this very important issue that is heavy on my mind. Next week we’ll return to the Seven Churches.

This famous and dangerous verse follows:

If you ask a Christian what this verse means, 99.9% will tell you that the Sense of this verse is that we cannot know the timing of the Return of Jesus. I am sure that most of you reading this article believe that as well. I’m going to devote this entire article to this one verse and its implications and meaning.

Implications and Imminence

If you take this verse to its logical conclusion, it means that Jesus can return at any time. (Most Christians believe this as well). Pre-Tribulation Rapture supporters call this belief the theory of Imminence:

  • Jesus can return to the earth at any time.
  • No prophecy needs to be fulfilled prior to this return.

If this theory is true we can reasonably throw away 25% of the Bible that deals with eschatology (the study of end times) because Jesus can return without any signs or prophecies being fulfilled. The logical conclusion is that a site like this one that deals with how to apply prophecy is worthless.

Pastor Rick Warren, author of “The Purpose Driven Life” (Zondervan, 2002), encapsulates this teaching perfectly in his book that has sold over thirty million copies and spent years on the New York Times best seller list.  Many refer to him as America’s foremost spiritual advisor.[i] On page 285 of this million selling book he makes this bold statement:

When the disciples wanted to talk about prophecy, Jesus quickly switched the conversation to evangelism.  He wanted them to concentrate on their mission in the world.  He said in essence, “The details of my return are none of your business.  What is your business is the mission I have given you.” – Pastor Rick Warren

Pastor Warren was obviously referring to Acts 1: 6-8 where Jesus instructs his disciples that they cannot know the timing of his return with precision.  (Whether Jesus actually said to not prepare for or think about his return is highly debatable.)

If you wonder why most churches don’t teach on end-times, this is THE REASON. The thinking of these pastors is why teach about what isn’t going to matter. This obviously is highly dangerous thinking if the theory of Imminence is wrong.

Imminence and the Pre-Tribulation Rapture

This theory also has implications in the Rapture timing debate. If Jesus truly can return at any time without the need of prophecies being fulfilled first, then he must return PRIOR to those prophecies. This would mean that he would return prior to the 70th Week of Daniel. The theory of Imminence and the Pre-Tribulation Rapture are intimately tied together.

The Most Misunderstood Bible Verse

So now we understand the implications of this verse, let’s return to studying it to find out what it really says.

In regard to this passage, my friend, Pastor Steve Müller of Faith Baptist Church in Gladstone, Australia (and a fellow reader of this Website) has brought to my attention the supreme importance of the words “that day” in Matt. 24:36. Proper interpretation of this verse hinges on these words.

“Grammatically, Jesus’s use of the words “that day” in Matt. 24:36 must refer back to a day He was just describing in the preceding verses. It cannot refer to an unspoken and silent Pre-Trib. Rapture that He never mentioned. There can be no doubt that “that day” is clearly in reference to the events of Matt. 24:29-31: ‘Immediately after the distress [tribulation] of those days’ — not before, as the Pre-Tribbers would have us believe.” — Pastor Steve Müller (emphasis mine)

With this simple observation, Pastor Müller dismantles the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory’s use of this verse. Let’s look at Matt. 24:30-31 that Pastor Steve refers to:

And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His[a]elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. (Matt. 24:30-31)

This is the return of Jesus which is preceded by all the signs in Matt. 24:4-29. This simple grammatical proof of Pastor Steve’s shows without question that the verse we have been studying (Matt. 24:36) has NOTHING to do with Imminence.

Noah and Imminence

“But it sure sounds like it implies Imminence” you might say. That is only true when the verse is looked at out of context. Pastor Steve’s proof shows what the verse refers to the verses that preceded it. Let’s look at the verses that follow as well:

But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,  and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the  coming of the Son of Man be. (Matt. 24:36-39)

Immediately after the verse we have been studying, Jesus uses the word “For” or “because.” This links the thoughts in Matt. 24:36 to what follows.  The coming of the Son of Man will be “just like the days of Noah.” We see a contrast between the righteous (Noah) and the unrighteous. The unrighteous are completely surprised by the flood, but in Genesis we read Noah was not surprised because God warned Noah in advance:

For after seven more days, I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made. (Gen. 7:4 NASB, emphasis mine)

As Noah began to prepare the Ark, he did not know when God would send the flood. However, there came a point in time when God warned Noah of the approximate timing of the Flood (“after seven more days”). This is exactly parallel to the situation the Church is in right now. We are preparing for the return of Jesus, and we do not know the timing of his coming. However, when the 70th Week of Daniel begins, we will know its approximate timing and “that day will not overtake [us] like a thief” (1 Thess. 5:4 NASB).

If you ask 99.9% of Christians if they believe that Jesus will come for the Church like a “thief in the night” they will say “yes.” Yet Paul tells us in 1 Thess. 5:4 that he will NOT come like a thief in the night to believers, only to unbelievers. This is exactly what Jesus taught comparing his return to the days of Noah. The unrighteous won’t know the day is coming but the righteous will.

The Day and Hour No Man Knows

The phrase used by Jesus in Matt. 24:36 is peculiar. The “day and hour that no one knows” was a Jewish idiom in Jesus’s day. It was a “code” word for the Jewish Holiday, Yom Teruah (which today is referred to as Rosh Hashanah). This idiom for the Jewish holiday is similar to the way Americans refer to Thanksgiving as “Turkey Day.” By using this phrase, was Jesus letting us all know that he will return on Yom Teruah just as an American might say, “I’ll come home on Turkey Day?” Before you dismiss this, let’s examine this suggestion carefully.

First, Jesus frequently used Jewish idioms in his teaching, so idiom usage was not unusual or unexpected. In Matt. 8:11, Jesus referred to the “feast” and “Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” In the first century, Israelites believed the honored guests at the wedding feast in the Millennial Kingdom would be the “seven shepherds:” Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, and King David. By referring to a feast and the first three of the honored guests, Jesus’s audience understood him.[i]

When Jesus called Nathaniel as a disciple, he mentioned he saw him “under the fig tree” (John 1:48).  In the First Century this idiom referred to study of the Torah in the Millennial Kingdom (using a reference to Micah 4:4 and Zech. 3:10)[ii]. All of Jesus’s words were carefully chosen and understood by his audience although we may misinterpret them today. This includes the phrase “the day and hour no man knows.”

Joseph Lenard and Donald Zoller in their landmark book The Last Shofar express the question about Yom Teruah this way:

“How can such an apparent contradiction be reconciled with Matthew 24:36 and other Scriptures so as to let us know the date without knowing the day or hour?”[iii] – Lenard and Zoller

The authors make an important distinction between date and day; a distinction that eludes most western commentators. The date of Yom Teruah is Tishri 1 on the Jewish lunar calendar. This date is known as the “Hidden Day” (Yom Hakeseh) or the “day and hour that no man knows.” Yom Teruah falls on the first of the month, and the first day of each Jewish month is determined by the sighting of a New Moon. Because this is also the first day of the New Year and a MO’EDIM (Yom Teruah), this sighting is of particular importance. In biblical times, two witnesses were assigned this task by the Sanhedrin. This sighting (by the two witnesses) can take place on either of two possible days and at any hour of the night. Thus the date is known: Tishri 1, but the day and hour of this sighting is unknown.

After the sighting of the new moon, the High Priest ordered the blowing of trumpets. This is of incredible importance in understanding Jesus’s phrase in Matt. 24:36. All of the inhabitants of Jerusalem could look up at the waning moon and observe the moment the last sliver became dark, but that was not Yom Teruah. The MO’EDIM did not begin until the High Priest and the Sanhedrin announced it was Yom Teruah.

In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus prophesied many detailed aspects of the time prior to his return. He is God after all. Yet, western commentators would have us believe God the Son doesn’t know the day of his own return. Rather, what Jesus’s statement about “only the Father” knowing may have meant: “it isn’t the Yom Teruah (of the Rapture) until God the Father announces it’s Yom Teruah.” Only the Father knows; only the Father announces it. This parallels the system used in ancient Israel where the High Priest announced the MO’EDIM and ordered the blowing of trumpets. God the Father will announce the blowing of the Last Trumpet.

Interestingly, my friend Ken Smelko (another reader of this website) has presented a theory that this verse has more to do with the sighting of the new moon than foreknowledge. The Greek word translated “knows” in Matt. 24:36 is EIDO which primarily means “to see, to perceive or to know because you perceive.” Translated that way, the verse would read:

But of that day and hour no one SEES, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. (Matt. 24:36)

Ken has presented the very real possibility that the Celestial Earthly Disturbance (Matt. 24:29) may obscure the sun and moon on earth and that only God the Father may be able to perceive the new moon on that future Yom Teruah.

Yom Teruah

Let’s examine this “appointed time” or MO’EDIM in greater detail.  Yom Teruah is known as the Feast of the Blowing of Trumpets, including the Last Trumpet (TEKIAH GADOLAH [1 Cor. 15:52]). In Jewish thought, there were three trumpet blasts on MO’EDIM. The First Trumpet was blown on Pentecost or Shavuot and the Last Trumpet was blown on Yom Teruah. The Final or Great Trumpet was blown on Yom Kippur of Jubilee years to announce the Jubilee[i].  So when Paul referred to the Last Trumpet in 1 Cor. 15:52, this was a specific reference to Yom Teruah.

Yom Teruah is also known as the “day of the awakening blast.” This originally came from the practice of the trumpets awakening the Jewish citizens during the night once the new moon was sighted. The association with the Resurrection certainly brings a new meaning to the “awakening blast!”[i]  It was also a time when those working in the fields would return from their work to celebrate the MO’EDIM. Jesus referenced these two events:

On that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left.  There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left. (Luke 17:34-35 NASB, emphasis mine)

The righteous will hear the awakening blast of the Last Trumpet and be taken to celebrate. The unrighteous will not hear it. Please also notice that Jesus refers to his coming being at night (in Jerusalem no doubt). Yom Teruah is the only Jewish MO’EDIM that begins during the evening hours (at the sighting of the new moon).

Edward Chumney in his book The Seven Festivals of the Messiah (Treasure House, Shippensburg, PA, 2001) adds this insight to our understanding:

“Because Rosh Hashanah (Yom Teruah) was understood to be the hidden day, this statement by Yeshua (Matt. 24:36) is actually an idiom for Rosh Hashanah. Thus it should be given as proof that He was speaking of Rosh Hashanah (in Matt. 24:36)” – Edward Chumney (clarification and emphasis mine)[ii]

I agree with Mr. Chumney that this idiom is actually a proof (not a hindrance) that Jesus was referring to Yom Teruah in Matt. 24:36.

This biblical reference (Matt. 24:36) is the “holy grail” of the theory of Imminence that assumes that we are unable to know the timing of the return of Jesus and that no prophecies need to be fulfilled prior to his return as well. The above analysis disproves that theory.

Brethren What Should We Do?

When Peter preached on Pentecost, 3000 were cut to the heart and repented because the evidence was clear and unmistakable. They cried out: “Brethren what should we do.” Hopefully you have seen the unmistakable hand of God in these prophecies and feel you must now begin to prepare for the return of our Lord!

In 2015, I wrote a book Are We Ready For Jesus that walks a believer through the steps needed to begin to prepare. You can buy a copy at 25% off Amazon prices AT THIS LINK.

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We have precious little time left. Let us all be about our Master’s business.

[i] “The Seven Festivals of the Messiah,” hebroots.org, last modified October 9, 1997, accessed April 7, 2016, http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/C_5a.html

[ii] Edward Chumney. The Seven Festivals of the Messiah (Treasure House, Shippensburg, PA, 2001), p. 138-139.

[i] Avi Ben Mordechai, Sign in the Heavens,

[ii] Avi Ben Mordechai, ;.

[iii] Joseph Lenard, Donald Zoller. The Last Shofar: What the Fall Feasts of the Lord are Telling the Church. (Xulon, 2014), p.129.

[iv] Ken Smelko, private email to Nelson Walters May 27, 2016

[v] “Hebraic Fall Feasts: Holy Days,” TedMontgomery.com, last modified: unknown, accessed April 7, 2016, http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/C_5a.html

[vi] “The Seven Festivals of the Messiah,” hebroots.org, last modified October 9, 1997, accessed April 7, 2016, http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/C_5a.html

[vii] Edward Chumney. The Seven Festivals of the Messiah (Treasure House, Shippensburg, PA, 2001), p. 138-139.

[i] Rich Warren, The Purpose Driven Life, (Zondervan, 2002), p. 246

66 thoughts on “Most Misunderstood Bible Verse”

  1. More than that, this year the barley was seen in the first Adar month, so there was no need for a second Adar, Biblically-reckoning. So Israel’s 7th month this year — and “Jewish New Year”, or Memorial of Trumpet Blast — should have been a month ago!

    Praise the Lord for His wisdom that we are not bound to this for our lives as believers in Yeshua, however still significant these appointed times remain for us for other purposes in God’s plan of redemption, and of Israel’s observances during the Millennial Kingdom to come

  2. Hi Nelson. We’re glad you seem to be recovering well from your recent surgery!

    As a matter of interest, the Jewish New Year (Biblically, the first day of Israel’s Biblical 7th month, and called the Day of Memorial of Trumpet Blast) is being observed from Sonday (tomorrow) evening and Monday. This is supposed to be observed at the New Moon (the first day of a lunar month). However, the New Moon began last night (Sept 30), and so the appointed time should have been observed last night and today. Religious modifications to God’s calendar reckoning have distorted and led astray those who would rely on them for observance and calculations.

    I got your new book Revelation Deciphered, today that my wife brought back with her from the U.S. I do believe that it will become a key reference tool for those who study the Bible and what the Holy Spirit is teaching us in these last days of the end-times.

    Many blessings to you and yours!

  3. Nelson, you said…

    “The Babylonian Exile was a series of multiple exiles”

    Nope! The Babylonian exile was one exile of 70 years.

    Jer 25:11 “And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.”

  4. Don’t dodge the question: So are you thinking that God just ignored what was described in Ezekiel 8? Or that He had some other 70 year judgement in mind that he is going to multiply by seven?

    Now here is Jeremiah 30 speaking of Jacob’s Trouble. A period acknowledged by all scholars as The Tribulation. A period of at least 3 1/2 years that is found within Daniel’s 70 weeks of years prophecy.

    1The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book. 3For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

    4And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

    5For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

    6Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

    7Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

    8For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: 9But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

    10Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

    11For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. [end quote]

    Did you get that? PUNISHMENT! The one thing that the bride of Christ is assured has been taken in full by Jesus.

    1. First Ezek. 8. The Babylonian Exile was a series of multiple exiles, although the dates are somewhat in dispute there were exiles in 605 BC (Daniel was in that one), 597 BC (Jeconiah was in that one), 586 BC (the Temple was destroyed in that one), and one following. Ezek. 8 takes place in the sixth year of Jeconiah’s captivity (about 591 BC). So what is mentioned here about God not listening to Israel is not about judgment AFTER the 70 years but BEFORE (or at least during it and as a part of it).

      Now will punishment fall upon unbelieving Jews that won’t happen to the Church? Yes, of course. That doesn’t mean that the entire 70 Weeks is punishment, however. We are explicitly informed it is not when the angel gives the prophecy what its purposes are and punishment is not one of them. And certainly Wrath isn’t either.

      Now punishment or chastening for correction is not something Christians are exempt from either. Heb. 12:4-17 clearly demonstrates that God disciplines those he loves. The word “punishment” in Jer. 30:11 is NAQAH which means to empty or clean. Certainly this isn’t wrath! The differences between Pre-Wrath and Pre-Trib is the timing of when the Wrath of God begins. In Rev. 6:9-11 we are told it is AFTER the Fifth Seal. Rev. 6:17 shows it happens after the Sixth Seal as well. This is completely consistent with the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

  5. Nelson, you said, “I did not accuse of adding to God’s word, I simply stated for our readers that you added that word in your paraphrase.

    It isn’t my paraphrase. It’s a quotation you will find on Bible Hub. A very scholarly one!

    You then say, “I have already shown you the meaning of Lev. 26 and the four-fold 70×7 Judgments (1960 years) this is Israel’s second exile which they are in right now.”

    So although you can clearly see that the 70 weeks of years has been multiplied. And you acknowledge this is God’s judgement. Yet you still claim it to be his blessing.

    Some cognitive dissonance there bro 😉

    1. Again, Phil, in the 21 bible translations on Bible Hub you won’t find one that includes the word Judgment. I assume you mean it is someone’s interpretation.

      God has many different periods of time that are used for different purposes. For instance there were several forty year periods, many seven year periods, etc. Just because Daniel is given a vision about one 70×7 period doesn’t mean all of them refer to the same period. They don’t. In particular the Lev. 26 version is FOUR distinct 70×7 periods not just one. Daniel’s 70×7 is not the same as the four 70×7’s in Lev. (just as every forty year or seven year periods are not the same).

      Look at the prayer Daniel prays immediately prior to Gabriel giving him the prophecy. Look at Daniel’s requests:

      O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us. Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord’s sake. O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies. O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name. (Dan. 9:16-19)

      Daniel confesses their sin and pleads for mercy and that God’s anger be turned away. What you are saying is that God blatantly says no to Daniel and slaps an addition 70×7 judgment on Israel!! Do you see how wrong that is?? The 70×7 period is a time where God gives the world his Messiah. It is not judgment.

      Which brings us again to the Fifth Seal, God’s Word specifically says he has not begun to judge or bring wrath during the first five seals. What could be more clear?

      1. Nelson. You said, “Daniel’s 70×7 is not the same as the four 70×7’s in Lev.

        Let’s see if scripture agrees with you…

        Dan 9:7“Lord, you are righteous, but this day we are covered with shame—the people of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem and all Israel, both near and far, in all the countries where you have scattered us because of our unfaithfulness to you. 8We and our kings, our princes and our ancestors are covered with shame, Lord, because we have sinned against you. 9The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him; 10we have not obeyed the Lord our God or kept the laws he gave us through his servants the prophets. 11All Israel has transgressed your law and turned away, refusing to obey you.” [end quote]

        There Daniel is acknowledging the reason his people were sent into 70 years of Babylonian exile. It was indisputably a judgement against them from God.

        Now bring to mind the Leviticus 26 warning of multiples of judgement promised if they continued in their sins.

        The question to be asked is did they repent of their sins during the Babylonian punishment? Or did they continue in them, bringing Lev 26 down on their heads?

        Let’s nip back in time. The answer to that question is found here in Ezekiel 8 http://biblehub.com/niv/ezekiel/8.htm

        So we see God sending destruction on Jerusalem. And later, at a point near the time when the original 70 year judgement could have finished God informs Daniel of the fact that he is invoking the Lev 26 multiplication, and seventy sevens are decreed for his people and his holy city. Yes of course it is part of the same four 70×7’s in Leviticus.

        Now is this blessing as you insist, or is this judgement? Let’s see what God says…

        Ezekiel 8:18
        Therefore I will deal with them in anger; I will not look on them with pity or spare them. Although they shout in my ears, I will not listen to them.

        1. First Ezek 8 is time dated as being the 6th year of Jeconiah’s captivity. Zedekiah is still on the throne in Jerusalem. This is long before Daniel’s 70 Week Prophecy and dates to the earliest parts of the Exile. The temple hasn’t been destroyed yet and the final captivity is yet future in Ezek. 8. That is what God is talking about in Ezek. 8 NOT events after the 70 years are completed!!! God is not telling Daniel that he won’t pour out mercy even though Daniel asks. Ezek. 8 is about the very beginning of the exile.

          Rather the nature of the 70 Weeks prophecy shows clearly God has mercy on Israel: he restores the nation, the Temple, and sends his Messiah. You are obviously entrenched in your mistaken theory of Pre-Tribulationalism and unable to move beyond it when scripture so clearly contradicts it.

          1. Nelson, you said “First Ezek 8 is time dated as being the 6th year of Jeconiah’s captivity. Zedekiah is still on the throne in Jerusalem. This is long before Daniel’s 70 Week Prophecy and dates to the earliest parts of the Exile.”

            Yes that’s exactly the time I pointed you to.

            Then I said “So we see God sending destruction on Jerusalem. And later, at a point near the time when the original 70 year judgement could have finished God informs Daniel of the fact that he is invoking the Lev 26 multiplication”.

            So are you thinking that God just ignored what was described in Ezekiel 8? Or that He had some other 70 year judgement in mind that he is going to multiply by seven?

            Leviticus 26:40-46 Spells out God’s mercy…

            40“ ‘But if they will confess their sins and the sins of their ancestors—their unfaithfulness and their hostility toward me, 41which made me hostile toward them so that I sent them into the land of their enemies—then when their uncircumcised hearts are humbled and they pay for their sin, 42I will remember my covenant with Jacob and my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land. 43For the land will be deserted by them and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them. They will pay for their sins because they rejected my laws and abhorred my decrees. 44Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am the Lord their God. 45But for their sake I will remember the covenant with their ancestors whom I brought out of Egypt in the sight of the nations to be their God. I am the Lord.’ ”

            46These are the decrees, the laws and the regulations that the Lord established at Mount Sinai between himself and the Israelites through Moses. [end quote]

            Daniel confessed their sins, but the Jeconiahs’ outnumbered the Daniels’.

          2. Phil, my point was Ezek. 8 had to do with events totally unrelated to Dan. 9, That was sin that resulted in the Temples destruction 50 years earlier. In Dan. 9, Dan. confesses sin, Gabriel is dispatched immediately since Daniel is “highly esteemed” and the angel gives the purpose of the 70 Weeks right up front:

            Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place. (Dan. 9:24)

            This is the explicit stated purpose of the 70 Weeks, no where does judgment or wrath enter into the picture Phil, it is blessing, eternal blessing. Daniel asked God to take them back to where they were: restore the nation, rebuild the Temple; God does Daniel one better and shows the big picture. He is going to end the sin problem once and for all and its only going to 70 Weeks of years. The purpose is clearly blessing not wrath. It says so directly.

  6. BTW Nelson.

    You neglect to mention a few scripture that precede Rev 6:9-11…

    3When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” 4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.

    5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

    7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

    Doesn’t all that sound like judgement released upon the world by God?

    1. The Fifth clearly states that judging and wrath don’t begin till after that point. This is the clearest indication available that the first four seals are also not wrath or judgment. Rather, they are similar to the testing of Job, Satan’s doing given God’s permission. The Fifth Seal confirms this no matter what anyone wishes to call the first four seals.

  7. Let’s be clear about your accusation concerning “adding” to the word of God. I have added nothing! What I have done is followed the line of thought to its logical conclusion, rather than read into it a pre-conceived idea, as you do.

    If your interpretation of Revelation was so cut and dry there wouldn’t be so many differing opinions. I suggest you study Douglas Hamp’s work. He, like yourself, rejects the pre-trib view. But he shows that what you think is a linear time line, isn’t that at all.

    As to “dodging”, you do that every time you avoid the issue of the multiples of judgement found in Leviticus 26. I am not claiming to fully understand that passage, but its implication is clear enough: Israel has been living under God’s judgement from Daniel’s time to now.

    1. I did not accuse of of adding to God’s word, I simply stated for our readers that you added that word in your paraphrase. I have already shown you the meaning of Lev. 26 and the four-fold 70×7 Judgments (1960 years) this is Israel’s second exile which they are in right now.

      In regard to a “non-linear” view of Rev., I also have one, but the Seals precede the Trumpets precede the Bowls. Alan Kurschner proves this and I document his proof in THIS POST. The non-linear sections are Rev. 12-14 which are paranthetical and Rev. 17-19:10 which precede Rev. 7. Many Post-Trib. followers favor a jumbled order of Seals-Trumpets-Bowls, but as the article shows this is not the case. The clear reading of scripture shows this.

  8. Nelson.

    You said, “The Judgment and Wrath begin after the Fifth Seal NOT at the beginning of the 70th Week.”

    Daniel 9:11-12 sums up what God has done to his people and his holy city, and the reason why:

    “All Israel has transgressed your law and turned away, refusing to obey you. Therefore the curses and sworn judgments written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against you. You have fulfilled the words spoken against us and against our rulers by bringing on us great disaster. Under the whole heaven nothing has ever been done like what has been done to Jerusalem.”

    Verse 24 onwards tells Daniel that a further 70 weeks of judgement has been decreed. We know it’s of a similar nature to the 70 years of Babylonian judgement because the prophecy contains the words “War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.”

    These are benchmark scriptures, by which we must interpret those less clear-cut ones that you like to use in support of your ideas.

    I would nail this shut by reference to the multiples of judgement years, but we have been down that road in the past, and “you don’t get it” 😉

    1. Phil, you are correct: I don’t agree with you. What you have mentioned above is known as a “dodge.” You avoid an absolutely clear passage that judgment and wrath begin after the Fifth Seal of Revelation. Please answer that one before going on to something else. Nothing could be more crystal clear.

      Now number two. I have explained to you numerous times that if you want to say Daniel’s 70 Week are judgment find a verse. Verse 24 doesn’t use the word judgment or wrath: YOU added that comment to verse 24 above. I explained previously that the 70 Weeks restore the nation, restore the city, restore the Temple and bring the Messiah! This doesn’t sound like judgment to me, it sounds like blessing!! Only after the completion of the 69th week, after the Jews rejection of Messiah, do they enter into a period of exile. This occurs OUTSIDE of the 70 Weeks. The phrase you quote “desolations have been decreed” is outside of the 70 Weeks.This period is still ongoing.

      I will quote you on what you should do “These are benchmark scriptures (Rev. 6:9-11), by which we must interpret those less clear-cut ones (Dan. 9:24-27)that you like to use in support of your ideas.”

      Again, Rev. 6:9-11 is more clear, it is the progressive revelation of God (later in scripture), it requires no references or counter-references, and requires no interpretation. Judging and Wrath begin after the Fifth Seal, it’s as simple as that.

  9. “Look at the Fifth Seal. The martyrs under the altar cry out, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” This is an explicit statement that as of the Fifth Seal, God has refrained from Judgment and refrained from Wrath (vengeance). Can’t get clearer than that. The Judgment and Wrath begin after the Fifth Seal NOT at the beginning of the 70th Week.”

    Thanks Nelson,that IS so clear.

    I thought this light that has gone forth through you and others would have had more widespread impact.
    Just like the invented islamaphobia to deflect the truth of the evil of Islam so have many teachers who hold pre trib rapture and its imminence as a subject that shouldn’t be argued over. They pose it is not one of the essential truths.Yet they defend it like it so strongly.
    The consequences of not understanding the times and being made ready seems to have the end result of a lamp that goes out before the time.That is sad.

  10. of course there are confusion regarding second coming, although your explanation is correct but the most misunderstood verse is not that one but maybe rev 13:17, the confusion is so widespread.

    no one able to buy or sell unless has mark of the beast

    most people referring to implant chip as 666 but it is not. for every 10 christians 9 of them will refer to implant chip. it is a fatal misunderstanding, chip implant only fit with 2 verses but can not explain the others 16 verses revelation 13.

    chip implant didn’t come from babylon, persia and greece kingdoms, they can’t explain chip with 10 horns or 7 heads, no body worship chip as god…..etc

    666=name=man=mark (forehead/hand) and no one able to buy or sell

    it is talking about allah

    – allah is a name of pagan deity
    – allah is 666 in greek numeral
    – allah is a man (male) deity
    – allah is mark, forehead is believe allah pagan as the true abraham god, handmark is to work/life the way of shariah

    no one able to buy or sell unless has mark of the beast means in caliphate era they use coins for transactions those coins inscripted arabic ‘allah’ (the beast), terrorist isis also issued similar type of coins just google it.

  11. Nelson is correct as what is theologically understood as blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It is always about who Jesus is and his sacrificial work on behalf of fallen humanity. Anything else is a distraction to the true testimony of the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

    1. A theological understanding is not the same as the Word of God, which is Truth. To say that the prophet of Islam speaks the same Truth as the Son of God is blasphemy. The words that come from Jesus originate in God the Father and will never pass away due to the Holy Spirit. That is what Jesus meant when He said “My words will not pass away”. Islam and the Quran are not words originating from the Father and marked for eternity through the Holy Spirit.

      How did Peter know who Jesus was? It was revealed to him by the Father. Jesus said so. Who reveals the will of God the Father? The Holy Spirit. That is why to blaspheme the Holy Spirit is to completely reject God. Which consists of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

        1. I again agree with you, Nelson. I finally understood this widely misunderstood verse of Jesus when I read the classic work, “The Holy Spirit” authored by the great modern evangelist, Billy Graham. I highly recommend kens-me locate this book either at the library or buy it online somewhere in paperback. It will greatly broaden his thinking to consider how orthodox christianity addresses this verse. Just a friendly help to grow in grace and knowledge of the teachings of our LORD. 🙂

          Blessings!

  12. Here is another that is mind boggling…

    He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters. 31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.…

    IMO, this is one of the most profound yet simplistic statements by God the Father, through Jesus. Does it mean that anyone who deliberately misquotes, mistranslates, changes words, adds words to,subtracts words from, or changes the meaning of scripture (the Word of God through the Holy Spirit) commits unforgiving blasphemy?

    “whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven”. I realize that this means that after doing so, if the same person asks to be forgiven and strives to sin no more, he/she will be forgiven by Jesus.

    But, “..either this age or the one to come”. Is Jesus referring to the age after the first Pentecost? Or the 1,000 year reign after the Wrath of God is finished?

      1. This verse comes to mind regarding the rapture controversy. If it is not in scripture yet is taught as from the Holy Spirit, then it is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

        And the Pope stating Matt 28 is equal to the prophet of Islams words in the Quran. Is that not a public blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

        Not judging, just posing a question?

        1. No, I don’t that that is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, just a grievous misinterpretation of the Bible by what appears (to me) to be an unsaved man. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is ignoring the testimony of the Spirit that Jesus is the Son of God and refusing to place your faith in him. IMO

  13. So we are really, back to where we started. The awareness of the start of Daniel’s 70th week is THE sign or season that believers should be monitoring. Believers must focus on the start of that week, which is strengthening the covenant with the many by the future AC. The covenant with Abraham, through Isaac and Jacob, and finally Jesus which will establish the right of the Jews to inherit Jerusalem and a portion of Mt. Moriah through historical proof. A holy of holies will be constructed and sacrifices and grain offerings will resume–after 2000 years of silence. By the time the construction is completed and within a minimal amount of passovers offered, 3.5 years will have elapsed and the AC will commit the abomination that makes desolate.

    Anyone who was expecting to meet the Lord in the air before this time, will at this time, realize that…they were wrong.

    With you Nelson, we will remain sober, our lamps filled with oil, awake and watching for the signs of His return.

    Thanks.

    1. Jesus stressed the Abomination of Desolation as a major sign to watch for. You are right Ken, that by the time that sign is seen, it may be too late for the foolish virgins of Matt. 25:1-13 to prepare themselves for what is to come. They will run out of oil (AGAPAO love) fueled by the Holy Spirit and won’t maintain their testimony (keeping their lamp lit) in the face of persecution. Jesus, of course, foresaw all of this and prophesied about it in the Parable of the Ten Virgins. From that parable we know that nearly all will be asleep right up until midnight (the darkest hour or Great Tribulation). However nearly all doesn’t mean “all.” We need to do what we can to wake them up.

    2. Nelson you said, “You are so wrong about the Tribulation that Noah faced while he built the Ark…”

      So you must believe we are in the Tribulation now! Well after all the earth is corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth is filled with violence right now. No of course we aren’t.

      “And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.”

      Don’t you think those sevens mentioned are to tell you something?

      1. First in terms of Noah and the seven days, Jesus tells us in both Matt. 24:38 and Luke 17:27 that on the same day Noah entered the Ark, the flood waters came. In Gen. 7:7 we are told that Noah entered the Ark because of the Flood waters. Gen 7:12-13 tells us on the very same day Noah entered the Ark the rain of forty days and nights began. This is overwhelming evidence that the Flood began on the day Noah entered the Ark AND STAYED. God’s command to enter the Ark and after 7 days will come the rain was the initiation of the process. Don’t you think it took Noah a lot of time to get all those animals on the Ark??? It took him an entire week. At the very beginning of the seventh day God shut the door on Noah and the rain began. This mimics what will happen in the 70th Week. For six complete years believers will attempt to get as many as possible into the Ark of Jesus, then God will shut the door and at the fire of the First Trumpet Judgment will begin to fall (possibly for forty days and nights).

        Of course I don’t believe the 70th Week has begun. However, I do believe that the vast majority of those not watching for signs will miss the beginning of the 70th Week because it begins peacefully with the Rider of the White Horse coming forth. Why will they miss it? Imminence. They are not looking for signs. They will wake up when the Great Tribulation begins just as Jesus has told us in the Parable of the Ten Virgins. They will all light their lamps but because they aren’t READY, half the church will fall away and their torches of testimony will go out. Only he who endures to the end will be saved. This is the risk of the position you are espousing.

        1. Okay, it was interesting to explore the debate from this direction. But there is still the unarguable fact that the entire 70 weeks of Daniel’s prophecy is the judgement of God against his people and holy city. We are saved by grace through faith. Christ took God’s judgement upon himself, so there is no judgement for us to face.

          What you are teaching is that we will share in that judgement. You are adding a price to God’s free gift.

          1. Look at the Fifth Seal. The martyrs under the altar cry out, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” This is an explicit statement that as of the Fifth Seal, God has refrained from Judgment and refrained from Wrath (vengeance). Can’t get clearer than that. The Judgment and Wrath begin after the Fifth Seal NOT at the beginning of the 70th Week.

  14. I am more inclined to believe the day referred to is Mat 24:15 (“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation, spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand.”)
    I believe Mat 24:36 should be interpreted by reference to the ancient Jewish wedding tradition of the father choosing the night he sends his son to collect his bride.

    1. Hi Phil, grammatically “That day” must refer to the last day Jesus was talking about (Matt. 24:30-31), it cannot refer to an earlier day.
      It is interesting that you bring up Jewish Marriage traditions. I did not include it in this article, but I’m saving it for an article on its own. The eight high Sabbaths during the Jewish year exactly match the eight steps in a Jewish wedding. It is uncanny. Not surprisingly, the High Sabbath that matches the day when the bridegroom comes to get his bride is Yom Teruah, just as Yom Teruah is the perfect match with so many other Rapture references in this article.

      1. I might be inclined to agree with you if verses 32 to 34 weren’t between what you believe to be ‘that day’ referred to in 36. As there is mention of two potential days, neither of which is specifically referred to as a ‘day’, it remains a matter of debate rather than a grammatical fact. Is that day referring to the beginning of the Tribulation in verse 15, or the end verses 29 to 31? And do verses 36 to 41 refer to something that happens at the end of the Tribulation or the beginning? Well the reference to Noah obviously speaks of a rescue from the Tribulation, so it can’t happen at the end of it all.

        I look forward to your insights into the Jewish marriage tradition.

        1. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. (Matt 24:36-37)

          Phil, the verse begins with “but.” This conjunction breaks the thought of Matt. 24:32-34 and refers us back to the immediate previous “that day” which was Matt. 24:30-31. This is then confirmed by the following verse which specifically mentions the coming of the Son of Man. Matt. 24:15 is not the coming of the Son of Man.

          Matt. 24:37 does not at all refer to a rescue prior to the 70th Week because verse 36 and 37 are linked by the conjunction “For” (meaning because). Thus “that day” (found in verse 36) refers to verse 37 as well. Jesus chose extremely precise words to make referral of these verses to a Pre-Tribulation Rapture impossible. They refer to Jesus’s PAROUSIA of Matt. 24:30-31, the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

          You are correct that it isn’t at the end, but it isn’t at the beginning either. It is prior to the Trumpet and Bowl Judgments but after the first Six Seals: a Pre-Wrath Rapture

          1. The reference to Noah is used to give the reader an image. That image is one of rescue from imminent destruction. We are then told “That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man”. I can’t see how you can discard the rescue part of the example. Neither do I recall Noah treading water just before he got into the ark. Which is how your pre-wrath image appears.

          2. Quite the opposite Phil, it is the Pre-Tribulation Rapture folks who disregard the rescue portion of the Noah and Lot images Jesus gave us. It is a SAME DAY rescue. The 70th Week starts slow and the Great Tribulation does not begin until after the Midpoint. BUT the Rapture on the Day of the Lord includes the falling of fire in the form of the First Trumpet Judgment on the SAME DAY as the Rapture. Read what Jesus says in Luke:

            “But on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed.” (Luke 17:29-30)

            There are zero verses in the Bible that reference fire falling in judgment at Armageddon or at the beginning of the 70th Week, this refers to the First Trumpet Judgment that happens after the seals just like Pre-Wrath predicts.

            You are so wrong about the Tribulation that Noah faced while he built the Ark. “Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence.” Do you think Noah was exempt from the inhabitants of the earth doing violence to him or persecuting him as he attempted to be a preacher of Righteousness? The righteous are hated by evil doers because of their righteousness. Noah didn’t “tread water” because the water was God’s Wrath, believers will all be exempt from God’s Wrath, but you cannot say that Noah wasn’t persecuted. The exact acts are not recorded, but it takes incredible “faith” to believe he wasn’t.

            Also have you ever noticed that Noah was in the Ark one year and ten days. This is the exact length of time predicted by the Pre-Wrath Rapture (from Yom Teruah end of year six to Yom Kippur end of year seven). Yes, Noah is a perfect picture of the “days” of the coming of the Son of Man. The exact number of days we will be in heaven.

  15. Nelson,
    I love the approach that every word uttered by Jesus in all scriptures, especially while incarnate, was perfectly chosen and the perfect word given to him by the Father. It is man than distorts the meaning through ignorance, mistranslations, or deceit,etc. Is this what is meant by “sealing of the prophecy–the scroll”? In the latter days will believers wake up to a greater understanding of the “Revelation of Jesus Christ, given by God”?

    And your statement about the two witnesses for Yom Teruah sighting. Will the Two Witnesses identify the day and the hour upon their resurrection/translation, when God says “Come up”? The world will be partying and marrying, giving in marriage, celebrating the death of the Two Witnesses and worshipping the AC who demonstrated that he is more powerful than God? Just like the days of Noah. Then exactly 3.5 days later, the world hears “Come up”?

    1. It is certainly tempting to think the two witnesses observe the new moon, but I’m not sure. They will be dead when the trumpet blows announcing the MO’EDIM. So I don’t know the answer.

  16. Nelson,

    The Day of the Lord is described numerous times in the Old an New Testements using the darkening sun and moon: falling stars and thick black clouds. Jesus describes it in the Olivet Discourse and it is the sixth seal in Revelation. The ‘unknown day and hour’ is an idiom for Rosh Hashanah which begins on a new moon or at the start of a new lunar cycle. Revelation says the FULL moon is darkened. Full moons occur in the middle of a lunar cycles, approximately 15 days before the next new moon! Wouldn’t this be similar to the seven day notice the Lord gave Noah before the rains began? At this point Luke also tells us to look up for our salvation is at hand. Pondering this I thought would this darkened state with comic disturbances last until the seventh seal, Rosh Hashanah? That certainly would make the silence in heaven when the seventh seal is opened that much more impactful.

    Blessing,. Mark

    1. Mark, these are all good questions. First, YES, you observed the same thing I did regarding the Celestial Earthly Disturbance. It happens on a full moon while the Rapture’s on a new moon. Luke says “But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (Luke 21:28). “Drawing near” is not the same as “it’s here” so this implies a space of time. I believe it is during this space of time that the AC kills the two witnesses. And yes, I think it continues to be dark, but I don’t have a good grasp of the time-table or the darkness. We know the Day of the Lord is a day of darkness and clouds so it appears likely the darkness continues.

      A sensible day for the Celestial Earthly Disturbance is not Elul 14 (the first full moon prior to Yom Teruah) because no historic Hebraic occurrences that happened on Elul 14-15. I think a more sensible day is Pentecost or Shuvuot (the MO’EDIM when Peter quoted Joel 2:30-31 in Acts 2). This is a variable day based on when Passover falls during week. It may be possible to have a full moon on that day, but it would be rare.

  17. Yes, when I read “The Last Shofar” book it was a watershed advancement in understanding eschatology for me! I try and re-read that book as often as possible and for this gentile mind trying to understand jewish thought to get a deeper understanding of this topic in this article, that is a tall order! But once I got this key to understanding of this most misunderstood verse, I became satisfied with the interpretation when it never seemed to make sense with what I previously had understood. The meaning as you restate in this blog article is how I now see this verse.

    Thanks for the refresher and for others it is revolutionary understanding.

    Blessings!

  18. I find all of this fascinating. It makes a lot of sense. I recently attended some services at a mega-church that were part of a series on the book of Revelation. The pastor preached in favor of many of the (erroneous) things that the majority of Christians seem to believe about Christ’s return. In one of his sermons, this pastor said that Jesus could very possibly return next week because there is no prophecy left to be fulfilled. He also said that everything written after Revelation chapter 3 has no relevance to the church, because we will all “be out of here” by the time those things take place. I’ve had discussions with a friend about some of these things, and this friend doesn’t think it’s possible to shed new light on anything that “respected Bible scholars” down through history haven’t been able to prove or shed light on. It is disturbing to hear so many people say that it doesn’t really matter if the rapture is pre-trib, post-trib, or pre-wrath. They believe we are simply called to do God’s work, and whenever Christ decides to return, then so be it – Christians will have served Him faithfully (which sounds like your quote from Rick Warren). I have a question about the timing of things – I know it’s dangerous to try to set dates, but if it’s true that we can, in fact, know the approximate timing of Christ’s return once the 70th week of Daniel begins, do you think it’s also possible to know the approximate timing of the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel?

    1. Janae, I don’t set dates for the 70th Week. Dan. 8’s fulfillment has not yet begun and that must come first.

      When someone says they don’t think anyone can shed new light on “respected Bible Scholars” I’d show them Matt. 25:5 and ask them what they think it means that all 10 virgins are asleep prior to the midnight call. Ask them if that includes the scholars? A 15 second “sound-bite” is what is needed sometimes to get someone thinking differently.

  19. In my morning Bible time today, this jumped out to me in Luke 22 and I immediately thought of the 10 virgins all being asleep and the consequences for remaining so: He found them sleeping from sorrow. Then He said to them, “Why do you sleep? Rise and pray, lest you enter into temptation.”

    1. Very good Brother Christopher! I like that analogy. There are many good parallels in the that account and what will come upon the Church at the midpoint. It would make a good article here or a good video on your website. I encourage you to consider it!

  20. Nelson, I never noticed before that Jesus said his coming would be at night (and, as you said, in Jerusalem, Jerusalem time).

    Jesus didn’t say, “I am coming at any time. There are no signs.” No, He gave us signs to watch for, and then, in Matthew 2425: He said, ‘Behold, I have told you IN ADVANCE”, i.e. BEFORE (emphasis mine). Matthew 24:15 also says, “Therefore WHEN you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)….”.

    We need to pay attention to the “thens” and “whens”, and “afters” in these passages, because they have to do with timing.

    I think one of the problems of the church is that we do not focus on the fact that Jesus carefully chose His words and that His Jewish audience would have understood what he meant. We have forgotten, I believe, that Jesus was thoroughly Jewish, and His audience was primarily Jewish, although He spoke to Gentile audiences as well. But He was a Jew, and He’s coming back as a Jew.

    Also, we have not been taught about all the Jewish holidays, so although many Christians are aware that Jesus fulfilled the Passover (and even there I’m not sure they grasp the entire significance of it, or the events leading up to it), they are not taught about, nor do they have the curiosity to then further ask whether He will also fulfill the Fall feasts. We are not taught about meaning of the “last trumpet”, or its association with Yom Teruah.

    1. Jeanne I would disagree with your statement that Jesus was a Jew. He was charged with being king of the Judeans, but never did one thing Jewish.
      He didn’t speak Hebrew.
      He came from Galilee of the Gentiles.
      He condemned the Oral traditions of the Pharisees.
      He broke the most sacred Jewish laws and was even deemed a blasphemer.
      Those who practice Judaism are Jews. Christians follow in the footsteps of Christ, therefore we do nothing Jewish.

        1. Nelson,
          You comments proves Jesus was a Hebrew, not a Jew. The Jews taught that a man should not receive worship, it is considered idolatry. To say that Jesus is a Jew is to put him under the law of a man made system. He spoke against Judaism as the Pharisees and scribes taught it.
          The closer you get to Judaism the further you get away from Jesus.

      1. Nelson is correct. Jesus was born a Jew, raised a Jew, He died as a Jew and rose again as a Jew. And He is coming back as a Jew.

        Jesus never violated the Torah. He was an observant Jew, and also observed the feasts of the LORD. But he had NO obligation to keep any of the many laws that the Pharisees added, and He didn’t. The traditions of the Pharisees were traditions of men, not from God. The Pharisees added to the Torah. Their laws were burdensome. By contrast, Jesus said, “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28-30)

        Remember, Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law (nor to add to it or to subtract from it), but to fulfill it.

        Nelson – I heard a message recently about Jesus’ healing of the blind man in John 9. Vs. 6 says, “6 Having said these things, [Jesus] he spit on the ground and made mud with the saliva.” The Pharisees questioned the man (twice) as to how Jesus healed him, and the man told them that Jesus made mud and put it on his eyes (vs. 11). Now, apparently the Pharisees actually had a law that said you could not put spit on your eyes! This is an example of Jesus blatantly violating one of the Pharisees “laws”. Of course Jesus would have known exactly what he was doing.

        Then there is the story of Jesus changing water into wine at the wedding in Cana (John 2), His first attributed miracle, His “calling card”, as Tim Keller puts it. Vs. 6 tells us, “Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons.” Note that these jugs were for “rites of purification”. According to the message I mentioned above, these jugs would be taken to a pool (I can’t remember which one, but it had a name), and dipped in it to be purified. But guess what contaminated them? Wine!! This was yet another of the Pharisees’ made up laws (and by inference, this could have been a Pharisee wedding). Again, I believe Jesus knew exactly what He was doing. And what I find humorous in this story is that after these jugs were filled up, at the order of Jesus, Jesus then told the servants, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast” (a Pharisee??) So they did. And what did he say? “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.” In other words, “This is the best wine I’ve ever tasted!”

        So when the Pharisees accused Jesus of violating the law, they were accusing Him of violating THEIR laws. But the Pharisees violated the two most important commandments, to love God all your heart, and to love your neighbor as yourself. (Mark 12 and Matthew 22). “37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” (Matthew 22:37-40

          1. John 9 is a remarkable passage of Scripture. It is here that Jesus says in vs. 5 ” As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world” before he heals the blind man and gives him sight. I also find the interaction of the Pharisees with the blind man, his parents, and Jesus absolutely fascinating. The Pharisees were trying to trap all of them with their questions. And then the blind man, who was no scholar, completely eviscerates them in verses 30-33 when he says, “Why, this is an amazing thing! You do not know where he comes from, and yet he opened my eyes. 31 We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him. 32 Never since the world began has it been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a man born blind. 33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.” I can’t help but wonder if he thought they were total idiots. The truth was obvious to this man, but not to those who considered themselves above everyone else. And the Pharisees only defense was, “You were born in utter sin, and would you teach us?” That one question exposed the utter arrogance of the Pharisees, and it also showed, IMO, that they had no defense. It was really very insulting. And then they threw the man out of the temple.

          2. The Pharisees arrogance has been repeated throughout the last 2000 years as well. “Who are you,” they say, “Without a seminary degree, without a doctorate, to teach us?” Those who throw up this sort of nonsense are usually grounded in the traditions of men and likewise ignore the truth right in front of their “eyes.”

        1. Jesus obeyed the Torah. Show once place in scripture where the word ‘Jew’ is used in the Torah. Those who practice an oral tradition started in Babylon are called Jews. They study the Talmud and the Kabbalah. These are contrary to the Torah.
          Christians need to understand that Judaism and Christianity are opposed to one another.
          Why dont Christians do anything that is considered Jewish?
          Should we begin then to do Jewish things now?
          Why did Paul warn against those that would attempt to Judaize beleivers?

          1. Christopher, “Jew” is shortened form of Judah, the main tribe of the Southern Kingdom. Jesus was from that tribe, he is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. “House of Judah” appears many times in Old Testament. Yes, Jesus was Torah observant to perfection and was angry at the traditions of men added by many of the religious leaders of Israel. In Revelation Judah is frequently referred to as the Synagogue of Satan and those who think they are Jews but are not. Yet among that group, God has carved out a remnant who will repent when they look upon the one they have pierced at the physical Second Coming. The great sin of the Jews is not how well they observe their Torah but that they reject Christ!

  21. Outstanding analysis Nelson! Some topics in theology are never changing….however, our views of eschatology do change, as we get closer, we modify views as we understand more. A generation of pastors today were burned in the 70’s by “The Late Great Planet Earth” (I grew up in the time), and in reaction, turned their attention away from eschatology to take the gospel to the nations (which turns out to be a good thing!). Many of them have their views locked in time, and have not modified them as we get closer to the onset of Daniel’s 70th week. I pray that your teaching, and that of others, awakens them from the stupor. One danger is that they will miss the onset of the 70th week, because they will filter it through a faulty and frozen grid of pre-trib thinking, ie “That could not mean the 70th week has started because I am still here!”, circular reasoning locked in reactionary thinking.

    1. Thanks Sam. The bible is pretty clear that the majority of Christians miss the beginning of the 70th Week because they are asleep (Matt 25:5). They wake up at the darkest hour, midnight, only to have half of them run out of oil. The darkest hour is the Great Tribulation. That is the exact reason I do what I do: to wake up the sleeping virgins.

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