What Prophecies in Dan. 11 are Yet to be Fulfilled?

DANIEL’S GREAT VISION PROPHECY
PART III

By: Nelson Walters

Author: Are We Ready for Jesus? How to Prepare for His Return (May 2015)

Daniel 11 contains some of the Bible’s most specific prophecies.  Theologians have attempted for centuries to determine which segments of this prophecy are strictly historic and what prophecies in Daniel 11 are yet to be fulfilled.

If you haven’t read them yet, the first two segments of this 5 part post are listed below:

PART I: DID SATAN FEAR THIS PROPHECY AND TRY TO KEEP IT SECRET?

PART II: PRECISE HISTORICAL FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 11

What Are the Latter Days?

 Now I have come to help you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision pertains to future days. (Dan. 10: 14 NET, emphasis mine)

This passage is found in Daniel 10 and is spoken by the messenger angel to Daniel.  The angel tells Daniel the prophecy refers to the latter days.   What does this mean?  if we could be sure this meant the “time of the end” as is referenced in Daniel 8, we’d immediately know the entire chapter 11 was yet future. but Daniel doesn’t use the same terms he used in Chapter 8, and the term he does use, latter days, doesn’t convey this same finality.

This exact phrase “latter days” is found in Daniel 2, however, when Daniel is providing God’s interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream of the metal statue.

There is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries, and He has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will take place in the latter days.  (Dan. 2: 28 NASB, emphasis mine)

This vision of the metal statue in Daniel 2 stretches from Babylon(gold)  to Persia (silver) to Greece (bronze) to Islam (iron) to the ten toes (iron and clay mixed) to the Millennial Kingdom of Christ (stone).  Obviously all of these kingdoms were included in the phrase “latter days.”  By extending this same logic about “latter days” to the vision in Daniel 11, it is entirely possible for some of the vision to apply to ancient times and other portions to apply to the “time of the end” right before Christ returns.

From this discussion we can now deduce a working definition of two key phrases in the Book of Daniel:

latter days = from this day forward to the Millennial Kingdom

time of the end = the time right before the return of Christ

Using these working definitions, we can now examine the three main views of what prophecies are ancient and which are yet to be fulfilled:

1. The Historic View of Daniel 11

Most commentators have stated that Daniel 11: 1- 35 is prophecy only related to the past and was fulfilled historically by Persian and then the Greek kings.  It was fulfilled.  We have shown that clearly in the post PRECISE HISTORICAL FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 11.  These commentators state that Daniel 11: 36 and following are prophecies related to the coming Antichrist.

This view is consistent with the definitions of latter days and time of the end that we have seen above.  Unfortunately it is not entirely consistent with close examination of the passage itself as we will soon see.

2. The Conservative Futurist View

All three views of Daniel 11’s fulfillment believe that Daniel 11:36-45 (and all of Chapter 12 as well) apply to the Antichrist.  The Conservative Futurist view also holds that Daniel 11: 21-35 will have a dual fulfillment with Antiochus Epiphanes and the Antichrist.  As we will see, this view is entirely supported by scripture.

In order to understand this scriptural support, we must view the scroll of Daniel the way the ancients viewed it: as a single scroll without chapter divisions and without verse divisions.  As we have seen Chapters 10-12 represent one vision and we must not separate them into 3 chapters.  Chapter 10 is the introduction to the vision that we discussed in depth in DID SATAN FEAR THIS PROPHECY AND TRY TO KEEP IT SECRET? The prophetic vision itself then  occurs in Dan. 11:1 – Dan. 12:4 (notice the vision is continuous until verse 4.)  At that point (verse 5 and following), the angel explains the vision to Daniel.  This is consistent with all of Daniel’s other visions.  The angel gives a brief explanation after each one after delivering the visions.

In this explanation in Chapter 12, the angel gives Daniel some details about the timing of the events in the proceeding prophecy and quotes from the prophetic vision to show us where on the time line those events fall.  This is incredibly important information that is ignored by those commentators looking at only a historic fulfillment.

First, let’s look at the timeline the angel gives Daniel:

And one said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be until the end of these wonders?” I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river,]as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time.  (Dan. 12: 6-7 NASB)

This angelic conversation says the end of these wonders (the events in chapter 11 and the beginning of chapter 12) will be for a “time, times and half a time.”  This is one of the most famous phrases in prophecy and is universally understood to mean the three and a half year period of the Great Tribulation.  So the angel is saying that the wonders of this vision will cumulate in a three and a half year Great Tribulation and finally, the resurrection.

The angel then immediately quotes from his own prophetic vision (chapter 11) so that we can time-date the point at which the Great Tribulation starts in the vision!  This is incredibly important, but often neglected interpretation.  The first of these quotes is:

As soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed.  As for me, I heard but could not understand; so I said, “My lord, what will be the outcome of these events?” He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.  Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.  (Dan. 12: 7-10 NASB)

Those who have insight among the people will give understanding to the many; yet they will fall by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plunder for many days.  Now when they fall they will be granted a little help, and many will join with them in hypocrisy.  Some of those who have insight will fall, in order to refine, purge and make them pure until the end time.  (Dan. 11: 33-35 NASB)

From this direct quote we can see that we can apply the prophecy to the antichrist as far back as verse 33.  But can we go back further? The next verse in Daniel 12 (and it’s parallel verse in chapter 11) gives us the answer.

From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. (Dan. 12:11 NASB)

Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation. (Dan. 11: 31 NASB)

From this we can clearly see that Chapter 11 refers to the Antichrist as far back as verse 31.   Jesus confirms this by referring to this same event (the abomination of desolation)  in Matthew 24:15.  Jesus was speaking 150 years after Antiochus set up the original abomination of desolation yet Jesus was referring to a future event.  Obviously this could only be referring to the Antichrist.

Now that we know that Daniel 11:31-35 refers to both Antiochus and the Antichrist we have tremendous insight.  In verse 31 we learn that “forces from him will arise.”  The him in this verse we now know refers to the Antichrist.  This means that all previous references to him (this character) in chapter 11 refer to the Antichrist!!!  Since this character (the vile person) enters the story in verse 21, we can safely say (under the laws of solid Biblical interpretation) that Daniel 11:21-35 all refer to the Antichrist.

This is stunning and in the next post we will examine the implications of this new found knowledge.

3. The Radical Futurist View of Daniel 11

If Daniel 11:21-35 has a dual fulfillment, might all of Daniel 11 also have a dual fulfillment? Those holding this radical futurist view believe that all of the prophecies fulfilled in Dan. 11: 1-35 will be fulfilled yet again in the future.

Because none of these prophecies have been fulfilled in modern times, it is impossible to determine if this view has validity at this time.  I have a “test” to determine if this view might be true.   This “test’ is whether verse 2 is fulfilled.  The verse states:

Behold, three more kings are going to arise [n Persia. Then a fourth will gain far more riches than all of them; as soon as he becomes strong through his riches,  he will arouse the whole empire against the realm of Greece. (Dan. 11: 2 NASB)

The word translated “Greece” in this verse is actually Yavan, which is the modern country of Turkey NOT Greece as our English translation gives us.  For a detailed explanation of the analysis of the Yavan people see ARE WE ABOUT TO SEE IRAN FULFILL DANIEL 8?

Many hold that the time of the end referenced in Daniel 8:17 refers to the time after Israel became a nation in 1948.  It is possible that the second fulfillment of a dual fulfillment of this prophecy in Daniel 11: 2-35 will occur during this period. Since Israel became a nation in 1948, there have been 3 “kings” in Persia (Iran):

Monarch – Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Shah of Iran (1941–1979)

Supreme Leaders

If a fourth leader arises, becomes “rich,”  and begins to stir up aggression against Turkey, this verse may be considered fulfilled in modern times.  It is then that I would begin to consider this viewpoint as possible.  If this fourth leader invades the Middle East and acquires the oil fields of Iraq and Saudi Arabia as we have seen in ARE WE ABOUT  TO SEE IRAN FULFILL DANIEL 8? he very well might fulfill this prophecy. In a future post, I will list the implications of this radical futurist position.

NEXT: THE ANTICHRIST BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION

16 thoughts on “What Prophecies in Dan. 11 are Yet to be Fulfilled?”

  1. He (AC/king of north) will unite Shiites and Sunnis by defeating them (Sunnis/king of south) in warfare. Nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom (beginning of sorrows). People should also take notice of what Trump and others are calling Arab NATO a NATO style alliance of Sunni nations south of Israel. Could Shiite crescent vs Arab NATO be in our near future?

  2. Is anybody paying attention to the formation of what is being called the Shiite crescent in the middle east? I know that people don’t agree on how the revived kingdom’s of north and south come about in the end times according to Daniel 11. But the AC is said to rise out of a revived kingdom of the north (Seleucid like area) and go to war with a revived kingdom of the south (Daniel 11). Right now as we speak Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Assad regime in Syria which is dominated by Shia Alawites, Iraqi Shiite militias from the region of ancient Babylon, and Iran are forming what people are calling the Shia crescent. Iranian soldiers allied with Iran backed Iraqi Shiite militias have pushed all the way to the Iraq-Syria border and the Assad regime allied with Hezbollah have pushed from Damascus all the way to the Iraq-Syria border to link up with the Iran forces there. I have read tons of articles and news media saying their goal is to create a full blown Shiite crescent from Iran through Iraq, Syria and Lebanon to the mediteranean. Just type in Shiite crescent on google its happening right under our noses. Anytime you have a geopolitical and military alliance of nations stretching from the mediteranean sea all the way to Iran people should start taking notice of a “possible” fulfillment of the revived kingdom of the north. If you looked on a map of the area of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran you could definetly say this area is a Seleucid like kingdom. They look almost identical. Also there is a reason why God says in Daniel that the ACs kingdom will be a divided kingdom. I believe it is a because of the Sunni Shiite divide. Shiites in the north and Sunnis in the south until AC unites them and then the 10 kings receive power as kings on hour with the beast. This appears to be whats happening.

    1. This is entirely possible jlils. It would fit with the AC’s title of “the Assyrian.” My main problem with a Shiite AC, however, is how does that work with “Gog” being the AC? Gog is given as the head prince of Magog which appears to be Turkey. I imagine we could be wrong about Magog’s location as many have erred and said it was Russia. Maybe we are wrong as well with it being Turkey. My other problem, of course, is it doesn’t fit with the narrative of Dan. 8.

      So although your suggestion is possible, I think your Shiite AC is much more unlikely than a Sunni AC. What current political arrangements appear to be are immaterial, because as we know from Dan. 8, the Shia appear to be winning at first. It is the counter attack of Turkey that crushes them and then acquires the Seleucid like Kingdom area.

      Watching and praying is what is indicated.

      1. I have a friendly challenge for you Nelson. Knowing that Babylon (in Iraq) has never before been utterly destroyed never to be inhabited again and Revelation 13 says the beast has the mouth of a lion which to me would signify where it is voiced from (headquarters), the lion in Daniel 7 has always represented Babylon in Iraq. With these two things in mind I challenge you to study Jeremiah 51 and see where this Babylon that is to be utterly destroyed and become heaps and never be inhabited again is located. Micah 5:6 describes the same exact area.

        1. jlils, you are probably addressing this to the wrong individual. Joel Richardson is a much greater expert on Mystery Babylon than I. However, that being said, I’ll take a crack at it. Jer. 51 is primarily a prophecy about ancient Babylon which was utterly destroyed and has never been resettled. Notice the references to the Kings of the Medes being the ones who will destroy Babylon. Obviously this is a problem if this is future and represents a Shia Babylon. Also notice references to Nebuchadnezzar. Also notice in vv. 59-64 that this scroll was sent to ancient Babylon as a warning to them.

          Now there are numerous verses in this chapter that are quoted by John in Revelation that apply to Mystery Babylon (the future Babylon.) But no where in this passage or in Revelation does it say that Mystery Babylon is located in the site of the former Babylon. There are aspects of Babylon in Rev. 17-18 that don’t match ancient Babylon’s site (see Richardson’s book).

          Micah 5:6 actually discusses Assyria and the land of Nimrod (western Syria, southern turkey, northern Iraq and eastern Iran). Ancient Babylon was in southern Iraq and NOT in this area. this is a proof text against Mystery Babylon being in historic Babylon which has never been resettled (although Saddam tried to rebuild it.)

          As far as the description of the Beast, Rev. 13 actually says, “And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.” The primary descriptor is that the Beast “was like a leopard.” Thus it extends over the extent of Alexander’s empire (Greece to Egypt to Iran). Mouth of a Lion could mean many things. To me it is a descriptor of the the boastfulness and blasphemy of the Beast. Like the roaring of a lion.

          Finally, even if Babylon turns out to the site of Mystery Babylon, there is no indication that its a Shia Babylon. It could be just as easy to be a Sunni capital.

          1. There is a lot which we don’t fully agree on and some that we do which is all fine. But what the way I read Revelation 13 is when this beast first rises it will primarily look like a leopard which was the Grecian empire but not the whole empire at first Example: Egypt is part of the kingdom of the south it will not be part of the beast when it first rises not until after the wars of Daniel 11 that Jesus speaks of in Matthew 24. In other words there is a reason why he (AC) is said to rise out of the area of the kingdom of the north. Because he will rise out of a Seleucid “like” kingdom. So to me when it says body like a Leopard we should primarily be looking for a kingdom that looks like the Seleucid empire. The feet of a bear in Revelation 13 is what the bear was in Daniel 7 Persia which changed its name to Iran in 1935. Then like I was saying I really think the mouth of the beast is the headquarters. The beast has a mouth of a lion. The lion was Babylon in ancient times. I fully believe Daniel 7 tells what these beasts represent to show us where the beast in Rev 13 is located. If it does turn out to be headquartered in the area of ancient Babylon that region actually is dominated by Shiites. As far as Jeremiah 51 there is like you mentioned multiple verses that are quoted by John in Revelation that apply to Mystery Babylon and these verses are spaced out through this chapter. But one thing that I have heard from a number of respected Bible scholars is that Babylon was never destroyed by the ancient Medes and Persians they actually over took the city of Babylon without a battle. Just came and took it over in a night (caught them by surprise) they say some that lived in Babylon didn’t even know the city was taken over until days after it was taken over. But the text in Jeremiah 51 all throughout the chapter indicate an utter destruction like Sodom and Gomorrah. Things like saying it will be a burnt mountain. Neither man nor beast will live there, will be desolate forever etc. But here is my thoughts I believe the modern Kurds are the descendants of the Medes and they will play a huge part in the destruction Babylon. They are doing a referendum in September for independence. But will all just have to be patient and see how it all turns out.

          2. jlils, There are areas of prophecy that are currently unclear to me and most others. Like other areas of prophecy that have just been uncovered, my supposition is that we will understand these more as time goes on. Discussions like this one are helpful in uncovering those hidden areas. “The Leopard” is one of those areas. Very little description is given in Dan. 7 about this “wild beast” other than it has four heads and four wings – and that dominion was given to it. (Something not mentioned for the first two wild beasts.) The Lion is a perfect description of ancient Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar who became a “beast” and then a human mind was given to him, but the Leopard is a less perfect description of Alexander and his empire.

            What role do the four beasts play in future prophecy? To me it is unclear. Are all four “beasts” empires? I’d say yes. Are all four “beasts” kings. Dan. 7 says they are, but are they demons too? Most likely, yes. Lot’s of yet unanswered questions in my mind.

            In regard to Jer. 51, there is no question that some of this refers to the future! It’s quoted in Rev. 17-18 after all. Does it all refer to the future? I doubt it. Which is what makes it challenging. I do take notice that Jer. 51 refers to the Medes but not the Persians. I have always had my eyes on the Kurds for this reason and others. Might the AC even be a Kurd? Again, I am not clear on many of these questions.

  3. From Circa.com:
    The Obama administration disclosed to Congress on Tuesday that it transferred a total of $1.7 billion in cash through Swiss banks to Iran around the time American hostages were released this year, about four times the amount originally disclosed to the public, sources told Circa.

    The news was delivered by the State, Defense and Treasury Departments in a private briefing to congressional staff who went into the meeting thinking they were learning more detail about the $400 million in payments originally reported in the news media.

    Who got rich? Hmmm??

  4. Hello. I have just found your site and am enjoying the reading. I look forward to taking in the rest of the site. I love prophecy and find it beyond fascinating. Thinking that we are so loved that all this information is placed there to help us puny’s to better attempt preparing ourselves kind of make me get an expanding explosive feeling in the chest! and no it’s not a heart attack.

    One thing about this particular post inspired me to attempt sharing an insight that I hope helps in finding a more accurate perspective when we try to glean the message from the scripture.

    I am 53 and have had a hard time my whole life as much as I remember keeping time straight. My mind is mostly like some would describe a steel trap. I remember most everything I take in. My problem is keeping these memories locked into a time line. I know an even happened, can tell you most all the details… but 5 years? 20 years? I’m sorry I’m drawing a blank. So in saying that time has fascinated me as well so I consider it part in parcel with my fascination of prophecy.

    I’ve prayed and thought combined with a lot of time just leaving my mind blank focusing on (best way I can describe it in this limited form of communication) the word “time” and “God tell me about it”

    We can read and learn that with God all time is present. Do we really understand and grasp what that means? In my puny way of seeing things I think I have caught a glimpse and live the glimpse. Time is an artificial construct created by God just for us. It is something that he has placed as a rule or better word regulator for us in our spiritual growth. God said ‘for a season I will set man below the angels in power’. He made us in his image and you can take that for everything that means (a whole separate topic) but for a season, or a while we were going to be blocked from our fullness or completeness much like we are not born into this world as an adult with car keys, credit cards and a mortgage. We have to mature into these things. We have to mature into these things God has put a block on us from accessing in a spiritually immature state. (again another topic…)

    While God is here being omni-present this thing we call reality first off is only temporary and second this place isn’t where God lives. If you will this reality is like an aquarium or terrarium that has an artificial environment for creatures to grow and live in when they can grow and live in our human environment or in our case where we can grow and mature in since we can not live as we are in Gods native environment. Remember he is a cleansing and purifying being and anything physical or material brought into his presence will be purified.

    But back to how I see time and I think this is one grain off sand of the beaches of understanding imagine if you will an old movie. Go back before Blueray, DVD and even VHS. Lets talk about the old cellophane framed films. Normally we view those movies one frame at a time. that is much how we live our lives out on a time line moving from beginning to end. But for me now I take that old movie and I clip every frame apart. Next instead of placing them end to end I stack them flat one on top of the other. Once all of them are stacked I then use my super hero ability to press them down into one single frame. Now I watch the movie. It’s all there. I just can’t place it in any order. I think that is how it is where God lives since time does not exist there except one huge difference. Unlike me having no ability to determine the “when” God obviously does see the order. That’s why my today, my birth and my death is ever present with God.

    Now how does this apply to prophecy? Imagine a mortal linear human being shown something that in its native state might appear chaotic but God and his servants that deliver messages try to take something from a place where time has no dominion and shares it with a mind that has to live under the law of time. Add to that the prophet now has to use the language of their time to relate things that defy their language to the reader.

    I think when reading prophecy we all try to take all of our current information on the prophet and the time they lived in and try to ‘get into his mind’ to better understand when he penned this what did he see that caused him to use these exact inspired words? But next do we ever step out of that form of role play and ask ‘what could I show that person that would cause these exact word to be written?

    I hope some of that made sense. Two questions that make me feel like a long tailed cat at a rocking chair convention is ‘How are you?’ and ‘When did that happen?’ unless it was within the past day or so… some reason my mental hard drive has a bad sector where the time and date stamp is supposed to write.

    1. Eddie, your picture of old celluloid film stacked on top of each other is actually a very nice analogy. It explains why prophets saw the first coming and second coming as one event sometimes; and why events of their day and end time events also seemed to “merge.”

  5. Nelson I know that the opinion of most is that Daniel 11:2-20 is all historic and Daniel 11:21-45 is future. This may very well be true. But it does sort of appear that Daniel 11:2-4 could possibly be talking about Daniel 8:3-8. You have the 4th king of Persia the ram (Iran) becoming rich and attacking Javan (Turkey) then in verse 3 you have a mighty king that stands up (prominent horn) then after he stands up his kingdom is broken into 4 and both chapter 8 and 11 say “toward the 4 winds of heaven”. Then you have verses 5-20 that are supposedly historic as well which they may very well be. But they could be talking about maybe a 5 or 6 year period between the kingdom being broken into 4 and the rise of the Antichrist. Because in Daniel 8:23 it says in the latter time of their kingdom (4 way divided kingdom) the Antichrist rises. So there is a gap between the dividing of this kingdom and the rise of Antichrist, that may be verses 5-20. Plus it says in verse 20 that a raiser of taxes rises up in the kingdom but is destroyed within a few days. Then in verse 21 the Antichrist rises in his (raiser of taxes) estate. Everyone seems to put a 2000 year gap in between verses 20 and 21. Question is is that proper interpretation? Thanks

    1. jlils, These are very good observations. There are 3 opinions on Dan. 11. The historic view is that the future fulfillment starts in verse 36. This is wrong as proved in the article. The Conservative Futurist view says the future begins in verse 21. This is the most accepted view. The Radical Futurist says the whole chapter is future. My offical position as a teacher is Conservative Futurist. My opinion and best guess is Radical Futurist, but there isn’t any scriptural basis I’ve found to prove it. In Luke 4:19, Jesus quotes Isaiah 61:2 and stops midsentence and there is a 2000 year gap between the halves of the sentence. So there is precident for this sort of thing. That’s all I know right now.

    2. Greetings.

      I don’t believe there is a gap, either. I read an article on “right word truth” about the subject of Daniel 11, verses before 21, being still for the future, that it covers 30-40 years leading up to the tribulation, an entire generation being warned. It’s a very interesting read.

      http://rightwordtruth.com/have-any-of-the-prophecies-of-daniel-eleven-been-fulfilled/

      Also, in the LXX of Daniel 11:2, it says “he shall rise up against all the kingdoms of the Greeks.” Notice that the verse has plural “all”, “kingdoms” and “Greeks”. This leads me to believe that it is not Turkey that retaliates against Persia, but the Aegean sea Grecian, Balkan nations, since Javan(Ionia) only covers a small southwest part of Turkey ( and the LXX doesn’t say “Ionians”, but “Ελλήνων”, i.e Greeks, Hellenists). I do believe that Persia advances against Turkey/Syria/Lebanon/Iraq (all considered “north” in scripture) because 8:4 says “northward”. It also says “westward” and “southward” which, I believe, is Grecian/Balkans and Egyptian, respectively, and the “Goat”(retaliator) comes from the “west” in 8:5 (although, the LXX, in 8:5, has “λιβός”, southwest?), and not “north”(javan is in the west, but it is small compared to the entire state of turkey that is mostly in the north). This could mean that the Grecian/Balkan nations retaliate, under 1 man(horn), against Persia’s action and establish a huge dominion over the middle east, but then it is divided into 4 after a short while, and the “north” kingdom/province of that division is where the antichrist comes from at the end of “their rule”(8:23). I do believe that the Ottoman Caliphate(Iron) will be established as the northern kingdom before antichrist comes to power, but that it won’t have the allegiance of the 10 kings yet. 11:16-17 talks about the 1st “king of the north” establishing power in “the beautiful land”, “forming alliances”(possibly with some of the 10 kings. cp. 11:5 where the king of the south’s subordinate rules a “kingdom greater than his”), and intending to advance, with his entire (northern) kingdom against the southern kingdom. IMO, the antichrist, in verse 21, takes the place of the guy in verse 20, who takes the place of the guy in verse 19. The guy in verse 19 is the same “king of the north” all the way back to verse 6, making only 3 kings “of the north” in all. And this makes the entire chapter, including ch. 12, one whole, single vision for the last days, imo. I agree with you that verses 5-20 are explaining what happens between the 4 quad division and the rise of the antichrist, and that the angel is explaining in graphic detail those events between the 4 quad division and the antichrist launching his career. imo, if we place the beginning of Daniel 11 in the past, it messes up the flow of the entire chapter and its parallel daniel 8. what are your thoughts?

      Thanks.

      1. Lots to comment on here Aerial. First, my inner suspicions are that Dan. 11 is all future just as you believe. I just haven’t found enough scriptural proof to teach it as such. Second, I like seeing your quoting of the LXX. I prefer the LXX for word studies with the NT, but like to use both the MT and LXX to compare and contrast for the “sense” of passages. I don’t think a fulfillment of all of Dan. 11 would require 40-50 more years, but it would absolutely require 12-15.

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